Importing to Brazil?

[Belmont]

It’s a long shot but I’m trying to do some research before I call companies with a big “uhhh idk” when they ask dates/times/etc.

long story short, SO is a cutting horse trainer, and due to COVID - one of his international clients is looking at sending his horse home if we can’t find a US buyer.

I think we will definitely find one, but in the off chance we don’t or he decides he wants to sit on the horse at home until this is over, I need to come up with numbers.

has anyone ever imported to another country (hopefully Brazil), and what was the cost? I know what stallions cost from Europe to US. Is it about the same +/- whatever Brazil’s quarantine rules are?

[bugsynskeeter]

The first question to ask is whether the horses qualify for export to Brazil.

[Living_In_The_Sticks]

Brazil is a pia to import general cargo. The government will seize the shipment if paperwork is incorrect & it can be an expensive act of God to get it back once done. All documents get approved by the Brazilian agent prior to tendering cargo at the airline.

I would do some searching on the USDA site to see what is needed for export. Your best option is to find a freight forwarder in the US that handles live animals. They can provide you with the costs & check with their agent in Brazil to find out what is required by the government for importation.

[Belmont]

@Living In The Sticks

Brazil is a pia to import general cargo. The government will seize the shipment if paperwork is incorrect & it can be an expensive act of God to get it back once done. All documents get approved by the Brazilian agent prior to tendering cargo at the airline.

I would do some searching on the USDA site to see what is needed for export. Your best option is to find a freight forwarder in the US that handles live animals. They can provide you with the costs & check with their agent in Brazil to find out what is required by the government for importation.

Thanks! I have looked into all that and the health cert/veterinary requirements. I really don’t THINK we will be sending the horse to Brazil, but if I could hand him a # “Look, it’s going to be ~ XX,XXX for vet work and to send this horse home.” it’s way helpful. He’s much more agreeable and easy to reason with when we tell him directly how much stuff costs. :lol:

[bugsynskeeter]

How old is the horse? If he is of showing age, if the horse hasn’t met performance qualifications, it doesn’t matter what the cost of export is. Brazil won’t accept it as an export from the US to Brazil.

[clanter]

contact a freight forwarder as I see no issues other than “Brazil requests that imports of animals, semen, and embryos must be accompanied by a health certificate in Portuguese, as of August 1, 2003.”

here is their form

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/regulatio…rmanent-hc.pdf

[I]Note: The Shipment of the Animals page (VIII) for the horse health certificate listed above is signed by the Port Veterinarian at the time of embarkation.

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but my guess is you really do not want the client to take their horse home,

[Belmont]

@bugsynskeeter

How old is the horse? If he is of showing age, if the horse hasn’t met performance qualifications, it doesn’t matter what the cost of export is. Brazil won’t accept it as an export from the US to Brazil.

He’s a two year old, no show record. As of right now a stallion, but we’re also trying to change that. I haven’t been able to find the restrictions you talk about though, can you send me a link or more info? That could definitely answer all questions for us!

@clanter thank you! I have found that already and sent it to my SO about veterinary work needed/papers etc to add to the list of “cost”. I’m really just looking for import experience to there. It’s a long shot for sure, and you’re right, we don’t want it to happen.

I did send an inquiry to a transport company, but we don’t have a date or anything. So it’s going to be a varied number but at least it’s something.

[joiedevie99]

You could try messaging one of the Brazilian breeders that operates in the US, like Sucandi. Probably still a long shot, but maybe they’ve had to ship one home before.

[phoebetrainer]

I know this might seem pedantic, but you are looking at EXPORTING the horse to Brazil. If the horse’s owner is living in Brazil and they decide to bring the horse home, they will be importing to Brazil.
Sending a horse (or any goods) away: export. Bring a horse in: import.
I think there might be enough problems with translation anyway, that it will be important that you have your terminology correct.

[Belmont]

@phoebetrainer

I know this might seem pedantic, but you are looking at EXPORTING the horse to Brazil. If the horse’s owner is living in Brazil and they decide to bring the horse home, they will be importing to Brazil.
Sending a horse (or any goods) away: export. Bring a horse in: import.
I think there might be enough problems with translation anyway, that it will be important that you have your terminology correct.

Yes thank you, I am aware and originally had it as “exporting” but changed it since were not paying to export the horse - his owner would be paying to import him. I know which term means which, but I’m looking at “import prices” since the horses owner would be importing him home, to Brazil.

It is also easier to ask as “importing to Brazil” on a BB since importing seems to be a fun word horse people enjoy clicking on and discussing.

[Belmont]

@phoebetrainer

I know this might seem pedantic, but you are looking at EXPORTING the horse to Brazil. If the horse’s owner is living in Brazil and they decide to bring the horse home, they will be importing to Brazil.
Sending a horse (or any goods) away: export. Bring a horse in: import.
I think there might be enough problems with translation anyway, that it will be important that you have your terminology correct.

thank you! I hadn’t thought of that. SO said he would call one of the Brazilian cutters that’s stateside to see if anyone had done it.

thanks for everyone’s help!

[Leather]

I think that @Guilherme has experience with importing horses from Brazil, he might have connections that could provide guidance on the reverse.

[HungarianHippo]

From a 2014 article in the trade journal "The Brazil Business": (so you need to re-check that it’s current information, but this seems like a helpful roadmap). Also that website includes a link where you can ask for more information or help with the import (and they’ll connect you to companies that work in this area). According to this article, horses would fall under the Wild and Exotic Animals category:

Wild and Exotic Animals
Any animal that is being imported for commercial use is classified in this category. This includes slaughter, fattening, reproduction and breeding. Also, species to be exposed in zoos or spectacles, or imported for the practice of sports, fit in this section.
Necessary Documents

• Application for the supervision of agricultural products ([I]Formulário[/I] V)
• Prior authorization for animal importation, with the necessary requirements and procedures
• Exams and complementary clinical analysis described in the prior authorization
• [I]Certificado Zoosanitário Internacional[/I] or CZI, which is the International Animal Health Certificate
• Extract of the Import License or Simplified Import License, if applied
• Copy of the invoice, if applicable
• For animals imported as a load, copy of document acknowledging this condition
• Packing list with the number of species per package
• CITES or Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora, if applicable

[B]Procedures[/B]

• Circus and Zoo animals will receive special attention, according to MAPA, due to their transport conditions and potential sanitary risks
• Vehicles with one or more sick animals will be considered as a risk, and will be returned to its point of origin
• The unloading of dead animals, their beds or food is prohibited, and must return to the point of origin by the owner expenses
• If CZI is not in Portuguese, a translation made by a sworn translator might be required
• All the approved animals’ objects, such as beds, food and packages must be incinerated after the unloading by the expense of the owner

[B]In case of approval[/B] If all the documents are correct and the animal health conditions are proven good, the following documents will be issued by MAPA:

• Fiscalization Term ([I]Formulário[/I] VII), allowing the animal dispatch
• Occurrence Report ([I]Formulário[/I] XII)
• [I]Guia de Trânsito Animal[/I] or GTA, that will be kept alongside the animal throughout the whole route, from its inspection to its final destination

[bugsynskeeter]

@Belmont

He’s a two year old, no show record. As of right now a stallion, but we’re also trying to change that. I haven’t been able to find the restrictions you talk about though, can you send me a link or more info? That could definitely answer all questions for us!

I did send an inquiry to a transport company, but we don’t have a date or anything. So it’s going to be a varied number but at least it’s something.

Here is the last list I had for cutting horses:

CUTTING
A - Animals that can prove prize equal or above U$30,000 with certificate issued by National Cutting Horse Association (NCHA);
B - Animals that have obtained classification up to 20 th place in the Open Division or up to 5 th in the Amateur Division, for Derby - Super Stakes - Futurity NCHA or AQHA Champion/ Reserved Champion in the World Show or Congress;
C - For broodmare without records, but that has produced 02 (two) animal that fit sub-headings above;
D - For stud without records, but that has sired 10 (ten) animals that fit in the sub-heading above, or its offspring has been obtained prize equal or above U$300.000;
E - Animals up to 48 (forty-eight) months can be exempted from own records since their sire and dam fit in the requirements above.