Incredible incredible horse

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give siegi b. the prize.

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I got a big chuckle out the visual of Foxxxxxy Starrrrrr all blinged out blaiz’n trails.

Hope the wind doesn’t die down by this afternoon. I am looking forward to Dorina giving me some of that “passagey” trot

[chicki]

Foxy

I NEVER said the horse was doing a passage. Horses can exhibit “passagy” or “passage like” movements when excited, especially when excited. Yes I know it isn’t actual passage and yes…I know it isnt correct, but when a horse BRED to do those movements, and to do them with such ease, gets excited and is held back in a sense, we get to see a bit of his ability in that area. Again…I KNOW it is not passage. The fact the YOU are lecturing other people on the basic tenents of dressage is laughable, considering the content of your previous posts on this topic LOL!
And whoever said that 99 percent of us like this horse because he lifts his kness high…pulease!!. If that were my thing I would be riding saddleseat on another breed of horse, because other horses can lift their knees and hocks a heck of a lot higher than this horse. The fact that you cannot see past the knee movement speaks volumes as to the value of your opinion on a dressage board.

[chicki]

Oh I just read the mods message. Foxy was previous banned??

[asb_own_me]

[QUOTE=slc2;2033725]
, they ALSO were trail ridden with a pack of mangey houngs and one rider with a parrot on her shoulder. they sometimes drank beer while they rode, does that make it better?[/QUOTE]

Only if she was able to double-fist it :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: What’s the use of that if you can only drink one beer at a time? :winkgrin:

[asb_own_me]

I thought “too much suspension” was an oxymoron? This horse is gorgeous and talented regardless of what breed or discipline you prefer. Anyone who is a horse lover can appreciate him. Why are so many trolls so determined to find fault in a three year old in a stallion parade??? Just enjoy the show.

[canyonoak]

if you are referring to my post where I said Keen once got marked down for “too much suspension”…I was using that as a sign of how ignorant even some judges were when faced with a horse that possesses super gaits and outsized elasticity,etc.

The only way one can talk about too much of something is if it interferes with the horse’s balance and/or rhythm.

Same as talking about too little of something.

hahahahah

[slc2]

That would be incorrect. In fact that would be quite incorrect.

A horse CAN have too much suspension in the collected trot. An overly cadenced, ‘passagey’ collected trot is incorrect, and it is marked down.

It depends on who is talking; some people make a distinction between ‘hovering, hesitant steps’ in the collected trot, and ‘passagelike’ steps in the collected trot. To the novice eye both may seem similar.

Both, however, are incorrect.

In fact, a horse can have too much ‘suspension’ (defined as time when all 4 feet are off the ground), however, it would be unusual for a horse to have too much susepnsion, simply because most horses don’t have enough suspension.

Keen, in fact, DID, at some points in time, have too much ‘suspension’ in the sense that he had too much cadence in collected trot. This is a fault, and it has always been a fault, and always will be. The collected trot is not supposed to be passagey. However, Hilda Gurney was a fast learner. Although I doubt Hilda Gurney would say so publicly (maybe she would, she doesn’t exactly worry about being real politically correct), Keen was a horse with very difficult conformation and I was always amazed how well she did with him. She is and was a brilliant rider.

[canyonoak]

<<A horse CAN have too much suspension in the collected trot. An overly cadenced, ‘passagey’ collected trot is incorrect, and it is marked down.>.

which would interfere with the balance and the rhythm.

I rest my case.

[fiona]

The ignore button is brilliant. Don’t forget to log in though because if you forget to log in you might accidentally injure your eyes.

Brilliant advice!!! If you are unfortunate enough to accidentally injure your eyes you’ll find they can be refreshed, repaired and left bright and sparkly by watching the beautiful athletic adonis of a horse that EBT thoughtfully posted a video of.

[egontoast]

Oh, heck, Eggie. Does that mean I’m not a trainwreck ho? I beg to differ. I’m a veritable conductor.

Dear Kathy,

You may well be a ho but not of the trainwreck variety.

Yet.

[egontoast]

The problem with a ‘passagey trot’ TM is not because it has ‘too much suspension’. That’s not it.

It’s a problem because the horse is sucking back and gets stuck. If the horse can easily make transitions within the gait it is NOT a ‘passagey trot’. I get the impression that most if not all of the people who are commenting on the ‘passagey trot’ have no idea what it is.

It is obvious when you see it. The horse is stuck. It’s an evasion.

[asb_own_me]

[QUOTE=canyonoak;2035305]
if you are referring to my post where I said Keen once got marked down for “too much suspension”…[/QUOTE]

No, someone else! Who unfortunately came off as uber-jealous And now there are too many posts missing, love that ignore feature, LOL, so I can’t see the comment!!!

I agreed with your post and slc2’s post after, that yes it can be a bad thing - within a certain element (collected trot). But overall, just watching this young horse work? Gorgeous!

[EqTrainer]

A passagey trot is when the horse is a LEG mover and not a back mover. The legs are moving… but the energy is not flowing thru. It is indeed a version of being sucked back, but IMO more an issue of energy being stuck rather than the horse being truly sucked back (ie: I DON’T WANNA GO!).
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[canyonoak]

a passagey or ‘hovering’ trot does indeed mark a horse as a leg mover–and it is because the horse tightens/locks/drops the back aka loses schwung, , aka no longer takes the contact, etc etc.

Basically, there is not enough forward.

Anyone who can look at Quaterback and think that he has a passagey trot and is a leg mover…well, all I can say is–if you have one like this and you don’t like it or want it, let me know and I’ll arrange transportation.

[EqTrainer]

Canyonoak - agreed! And if that’s a leg mover I would gladly have a whole barn full of them.

[Home_Again_Farm]

Canyon oak wrote:

Quaterback is not a freak of nature. He is not some outlandish, modish, exaggerated cartoon.

He is a living, breathing 3-year-old stallion (almost 4).

I kind of suspect his walk is better than a 7.5, especially if he is at home and not under the extreme atmosphere of a stallion days arena.

I kind of suspect that the ‘wide behind’ is going to go away as he develops strength–this has been the case of any young stallion/horse I have sat on/ watched being trained (correctly):

But , in training-- if you don’t ask–you’ll never know.

I kind of suspect that Christian Flamm (hats off to this guy–he can REALLY ride and not ruin a horse) realizes that he and the horse have a few minutes in a stallion days ring to show off–and one goes with what one gets.

He is NOT showing off the training. He is NOT showing off a finished product.

He IS showing off a potential, a fantasy that one hopes becomes reality.

To talk about the little glitches that occurred in this video as though they matter–well, it makes me wonder if anyone actually trains horses here…because such talk is all so silly.

And see how subjective and argumentative that last sentence is…?

Can’t we all just agree that this is a great horse? That he is extremely well-presented…?

That I wish we could get Flamm over here to give a Young Horse seminar…?

From my perspective, I simply cannot understand anyone who can watch the video and not see a great athlete.

Beautifully put. This is a spectacular young athlete, ridden tactfully and well. I wait with eager anticipation to see what he produces. That will tell what he is as a stallion. Breeders must be patient. :yes::winkgrin:

I also wait patiently to see what he does in performance, and hope that he fulfills the promise of today. I’m not a chestnut person, but I could become one when they move like this.

[asb_own_me]

[QUOTE=canyonoak;2035812]

Anyone who can look at Quaterback and think that he has a passagey trot and is a leg mover…well, all I can say is–if you have one like this and you don’t like it or want it, let me know and I’ll arrange transportation.[/QUOTE]

May I help you arrange that transportation? And then I would get a flat tire for a few years :winkgrin:

[Shiaway]

This horse is obviously and awful horse. That’s why I think it’s really only my duty to take him so that he isn’t sent to slaughter. I really have enough horses but I will make the necessary sacrafices to support one more even if he is flawed as bad as this one.

Wow my name looks cool when it’s posted.

[fiona]

Dream on people, i told them already the americans think the horse is useless so his career is all but over, i’m nearer and just happen to have a spare stable in an undisclosed location. Luckily i just love a so called passagey trot!

[asb_own_me]

ROFL Fiona! May I come visit at this undisclosed location???