Indian Bridle/War Bridle.. anyone want to scream?

So it seems there is a new Facebook Trend that is currently exploding over my FB feed and most the groups I am on.

These Indian Bridles/War Bridles

For those of you who do not know what one is:

http://www.westernhorseman.com/wh-blogs/neu-perspectives/2807-riding-in-a-war-bridle

It seems suddenly all the rage is to get one of these and shove it on your horse’s mouth with no idea on how one really works, what all is required training wise… its become one of those things that “You need to use to have that magycal connection with your horse”

and of course, people then post about all the problems they are having with said Indian bridle; and everyone has to say how you need to connect more with your horse. Stop using a saddle, use more treats and become “closer friends”

Just gunna be one of those trends that gets people and horses hurt…

steps off soap box vent over.

When I was little, we played Cowboy and Indians on our ponies. I didn’t have a saddle, so I was always an Indian. Plus I got to paint my grey pony with those purple berries and red clay.

I used a haystring tied around his jaw, ala Indians using a rawhide thong. Let me tell you, he never ran away with me on those days! It looks simple, but it can be very severe

I’ve noticed it, too. Clearly they don’t realize that just because there’s less leather on the horse’s face and no metal in his mouth doesn’t make it less severe.

I’m sure this fad will eventually pass, and inevitably be replaced by something else!

That’s not actually a war bridle, so that’s what drives me nuts.

Real war bridle: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitless_bridle#War_bridle

[QUOTE=JustTheTicket;8861495]
That’s not actually a war bridle, so that’s what drives me nuts.

Real war bridle: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitless_bridle#War_bridle[/QUOTE]

that is what i always thought a war bridle was, until people started calling them these “War Bridles” “Indian Bridles” and of course “Indian War Bridles”

Im sure if someone had seen someone using a real style war bridle there would be need for a flame suit.

I have almost given up on a couple of bitting pages because of the misinformation. People are now so confused about bits, they are putting bits upside down in the horses’ mouth. I think the bitless thing is okay if you are playing around, not serious, but generally the rider isn’t riding, sort of passengering. I know of Susie Hutchinson (sp?) and her horse but doubt there are so many horses that can’t go with a metal bit. It seems people think it will fix their horse problems when primarily it is their horsemanship in the saddle. But try to tell them that? Nope, then you’re a meany poopy head.

It’s an important – and apparently ignored – point that these devices were used by American Indian warriors who were essentially full-time, professional horsemen. The warrior and his horse were a highly-polished team who worked together literally every day. There’s a reason these things were called “war bridles”; they weren’t used by ordinary Indians for every-day riding. The warrior and his war pony were so highly attuned to one another that the rein wasn’t even used most of the time. The horse responded to the rider’s knees and seat because the warrior was using both his hands to handle weapons. The war bridle was literally just an emergency brake. Buffalo ponies were similarly trained, but most of the horses ridden by American Indians in the 16th to 19th centuries could not be ridden effectively in these contraptions. In all probability, your horse can’t either. If your horse is properly selected (by some reports, less than one horse in 10 had the makings of a war/buffalo pony) and you ride four hours a day 365 days a year, you may be able to use a “war bridle.” Otherwise, you’re doing your horse and yourself a disservice. The Indian warrior didn’t ride well because he used a war bridle; he used a war bridle because he was a spectacularly good rider.

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Nothing wrong with riding bitless, but a lot of people don’t seem to realize that it isn’t inherently any milder or more humane than riding with a bit.

Especially when you’re using a loop on thin rope right on the bars of the mouth. Bits and bridles were invented for a reason, and it wasn’t convenience or economy.

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Trail riding is a marvellous way to go bitless - the horse can snag some grass, he is not required to have any finesse. Cowboy halter, regular halter, meh.

On the other hand many of the cross-under bitless rigs cause chafing and then sheepskin has to be put under it, not so mild, I’d suggest.

The war bridle that seems to have started this trend was on a horse that had a damaged mouth and could not use a bit…as I understood it.

[QUOTE=RoyalRain42;8861374]
So it seems there is a new Facebook Trend that is currently exploding over my FB feed and most the groups I am on.

These Indian Bridles/War Bridles

For those of you who do not know what one is:

http://www.westernhorseman.com/wh-blogs/neu-perspectives/2807-riding-in-a-war-bridle

It seems suddenly all the rage is to get one of these and shove it on your horse’s mouth with no idea on how one really works, what all is required training wise… its become one of those things that “You need to use to have that magycal connection with your horse”

and of course, people then post about all the problems they are having with said Indian bridle; and everyone has to say how you need to connect more with your horse. Stop using a saddle, use more treats and become “closer friends”

Just gunna be one of those trends that gets people and horses hurt…

steps off soap box vent over.[/QUOTE]

I’m guessing the closeness’ comes while doctoring the severe friction burns on the bars of the horse’s mouth, and it’s lips. That type of rope was never meant to be IN a horse’s mouth. :frowning:

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I feel like these “Indian bridles” are also an excellent way for an uneducated rider to cut their horse’s tongue off, too. If someone is using it, or a war bridle, or a hackamore, or any other tool, they’d better have a real purpose in mind and some kind of education. And the purpose better not be “to make better friends with the horse” because I don’t think you’ll make many friends when you’re (albeit inadvertently) cutting your horse’s face up.

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[QUOTE=allons-y;8861392]
When I was little, we played Cowboy and Indians on our ponies. I didn’t have a saddle, so I was always an Indian. Plus I got to paint my grey pony with those purple berries and red clay.

I used a haystring tied around his jaw, ala Indians using a rawhide thong. Let me tell you, he never ran away with me on those days! It looks simple, but it can be very severe[/QUOTE]

Oh, Lord, we did the same thing. Wiley kid horses would not let you near them with a bridle or halter but you could sneak up with a bucket of feed and hay string concealed in your hand.

Devices with links, are not what I was taught was a war bridle. More along the lines of a jaw ropes or jaw lines, commonly seen in costume classes for Appaloosa horses with only a single line to the rider’s hand. Horse both neck reined and steered with direct pull, good use of your legs, to go around with only the single rein. It was a show-off thing, “I only need this little string to control my big horse” while YOU need a real bridle with a bit.

It appears these days the Appaloosa horses wear beaded headstalls with bits for costume classes, since I could not locate a photo to link to showing a jaw line that was so common in photos when I was a kid.

Growing up, a war bridle was made with a lasso noose, across the head and nose, with Hondo on one side of face, tail of lariat run under the jaw thru noose, forming a halter type head control device. Variations could have the lariat noose around the lower jaw with lariat tail over the head down thru the jaw loop to the handler hand. I believe the drawing Randy Steffan made for Western Horseman is the most correct design for this very old-time method used by old Cowboys. My understanding of the name was that it came from when the horse wanted to battle with the Cowboy over who really was going to win, it could turn into a war of wills! Hence the War Bridle name.

Lariat is hard rolled rope, not soft at all. When rope was pulled, it put strong pressure on parts of the skull, jaw, getting the horse’s attention, pain when horse resisted lariat pull by humans. Most Western horses were older, 4-5-6yrs when first handled much. Fresh off the range, strong and determined not to cooperate. Cowboys were not training soft young baby horses, well handled young horses, but animals who believed they were fighting for their lives, all were resistant to any handling.

These devices were NOT intended to be used for riding the animal, design is for forward pulling, not pulling back behind the head in a saddle. They were just as a training device to learn moving forward when pulled, correction tool to stand for saddling, not pulling back when tied. They had to get the horses ridden, useful, whatever the means needed. Horses were cheap. While breaking bones, getting injured could be life threatening back then, so Cowboys used any means needed to protect themselves from damage by the horses. Certainly there were cruel men using such devices, but others only used them as the tool they are.

Those commercially made jaw ropes are pretty ugly looking, appear harshly surfaced, not smooth rope. Nothing shown is what I would consider “kind” for the horse. Very easy for a rider to hurt the mouth skin, bone surfaces of the bars with much rein pulling or mouth pressure on an untrained or horse not used to such a device.

We also rode our kid horses (patient and accepting) with jaw ropes, single rein “just like the Indians!” without being killed. It was close though at times!! They didn’t have mouth issues after jaw line use, no bruising, cuts, we checked after using those thin rawhide strings which were so different than a metal bit. I would say their obedience level was not as good as with a true bit and bridle, but they did listen to us riders for turns and stops with the jaw lines.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/398702735/paracord-war-bridles?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=Indian%20war%20bridle&ref=sr_gallery_5

Just as i was about to post my fears…

Someone messaged my Paracord Horse Tack page on FB, Asking what i would charge to make something like this (see above link) and if i could do custom work.

While i i would very much rather see someone using a paracord one of these things compared to Lariat… I dont think i will be making them for people.

Show them these (Courtesy of The Gambia Horse and Donkey Trust)
http://horsetalk.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bit-damage-appeal.jpg
http://www.gambiahorseanddonkey.org.uk/bitappeal.jpg
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Warning!! Those Pictures Are Graphic!!!

I see a lot of pain and damage for horses everywhere if this nasty rig gets popular. Somebody ought to demonstrate with a live person just how that chafes and cuts.

This is just another horse buster, like those popular twisted wire snaffles, jaw-cracking Tom Thumbs, and ‘Indian Bittless’ ring-around-the-nose with no release you see on Ebay made with crappy paracord. Of course, I’m not in love with the super long shank ‘snaffles’ or anything that gives one the ability to crank up the pressure to a horse’s poll, nose, or tongue. And don’t get me started on the ‘crank’ noseband that basically wires a horse’s mouth shut around the bit. Yeah…that is real horsemanship.

I ride in a rope halter with an adjustable noseband and am happy with the response I get, because I ride my horse with leg, seat, and subtle weight cues. Of course, that cheesy little rope halter perfectly matches my Isabella dressage, 'cause I’m classy like that. :winkgrin:

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[QUOTE=JustTheTicket;8861602]
I feel like these “Indian bridles” are also an excellent way for an uneducated rider to cut their horse’s tongue off, too. If someone is using it, or a war bridle, or a hackamore, or any other tool, they’d better have a real purpose in mind and some kind of education. And the purpose better not be “to make better friends with the horse” because I don’t think you’ll make many friends when you’re (albeit inadvertently) cutting your horse’s face up.[/QUOTE]

I have seen a horse with a chunk of his tongue missing halfway up and halfway through and I have to tell you, it ain’t pretty. :frowning:

A war bridle seems to be about the equivalent to spade bit with my mid and southwest cowboy friends. A tell tale sign of a well broke horse.
Something to be used on broke horses and not really meant to be pulled on. It also requires some preparation to get the horse to pack the war bridle rather than have to cinch it up so tight around the jaw to keep him spitting it out.
Many of the versions I’ve seen and the one I own are made of rope but have a piece of soft chap hide sewn over the part that lays over or under the tongue depending on how you use it.

The war bridle, in my opinion, is no different than a lot items in the horse world. Bad in the hands of the uneducated but harmless in the hands of the educated. But unfortunately, the war bridle is cheap and easy to make, making it easier for those who are uneducated to get their hands on one.

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[QUOTE=Aces N Eights;8862407]

The war bridle, in my opinion, is no different than a lot items in the horse world. Bad in the hands of the uneducated but harmless in the hands of the educated. But unfortunately, the war bridle is cheap and easy to make, making it easier for those who are uneducated to get their hands on one.[/QUOTE]

The difference here is that, unlike a spade bit (which is scary enough looking that the majority of people rightfully won’t try one on their horse), there seems to be a misconception that because there isn’t much to the “war bridle” (or whatever to actual true term is for this ropes around the lower jaw) in the physical sense – it’s just a little piece of rope, after all – the followers of the fad seem to believe that it is a subtle and mild piece of equipment just a step above riding bridleless. Which of course is not even close to the truth.

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[QUOTE=Sticky Situation;8862478]
The difference here is that, unlike a spade bit (which is scary enough looking that the majority of people rightfully won’t try one on their horse), there seems to be a misconception that because there isn’t much to the “war bridle” (or whatever to actual true term is for this ropes around the lower jaw) in the physical sense – it’s just a little piece of rope, after all – the followers of the fad seem to believe that it is a subtle and mild piece of equipment just a step above riding bridleless. Which of course is not even close to the truth.[/QUOTE]

I agree completely.

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