I stopped reading after “diploma for $75” on the first page. It’s amazing what some people can argue!
Thomas- Neat post! Thanks!
Patty - did you go to farrier school and then later decide to go “Natural Balance”?
Yes, (BTW I am still a farrier, not just a barefoot trimmer , but when I shoe I use NB principles)
If yes, why?
Full explanation and my history is on my website.
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Well Thomas the world you inhabit is not the one that the majority of posters on this particular bulletin board inhabit, and you know that and are being intentionally bull headed. [/QUOTE] Bull headed? Get on … since when was stating facts and opinion about someone who misleads by misrepresenting qualifications being bull headed? I can only think that bull-headed means something entirely different over there.
Since farriers aren’t regulated here, we have hoards of farriers who went somewhere for a couple of weeks, or who learned from a buddy.
I know and there’s also “hoards” who have worked hard and apprenticed and been examined AND qualified.
In some parts of the country, finding a decent farrier is nearly impossible. It’s not as simple as it is for you with nothing but very qualified farriers. Just try to grasp that concept and you won’t get so snarled up by simple differences over and over.
Try to grasp that so long as there’s folks touting and selling silly courses and “qualifications” and horse owners willing to rush to buy them because they think they can do a better job that the farrier they’ve chosen that it’s self-perpetuating.
I’d love to know how someone is incapable of finding a decent farrier to service their horse before they buy said horse and yet they think they know enough to suddenly be blessed with magical powers to be able to find a barefoot trimmer that is so gifted or even to trim feet for themselves by paying some self-proclaimed trainer.
Are there any farrier programs that are accredited in the U.S.? Would their graduates also be allowed to work as farriers in the U.K. or other countries that require licenses? If so, which ones?
Any AFA CJF who can prove two years full time experience after passing the CJF test meets the FRC requirement for registration as a farrier in the UK.
All EEC countries have accredited training and broadly ‘similarish’; systems. I don’t know about elsewhere.
I know and there’s also “hoards” who have worked hard and apprenticed and been examined AND qualified.
Come to Appalachia and find them.
Any AFA CJF who can prove two years full time experience after passing the CJF test meets the FRC requirement for registration as a farrier in the UK.
At least this is useful information. Thanks for researching it.
Try to grasp that so long as there’s folks touting and selling silly courses and “qualifications” and horse owners willing to rush to buy them because they think they can do a better job that the farrier they’ve chosen that it’s self-perpetuating.
Until there are regulations placed on the trimming or shoeing of horses in this country (which will sadly never happen), capitalism will continue to reign supreme. Just accept it and move on. You’ll give yourself a coronary the way you get so riled up over a foreign country’s (lack of) hoofcare policy. I always picture you red faced at your computer, sputtering away to yourself and pounding madly at keys.
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Come to Appalachia and find them.[/QUOTE]
Are you paying?
At least this is useful information. Thanks for researching it.
You’re welcome. It took no researching though. I knew it all along as do most US farriers that I know of.
Visit horseshoes.com and you’ll find a wealth of information and resource there and most likely recommendations for a farrier somewhere near you. It would save you the cost of a ticket and having to put up with me!
Until there are regulations placed on the trimming or shoeing of horses in this country (which will sadly never happen), capitalism will continue to reign supreme.
You’re most likely right but the lack of welfare regulation and standards of control shouldn’t stop owners from sourcing the likes of AFA CJF and hence drive the market to however they want.
Just accept it and move on. You’ll give yourself a coronary the way you get so riled up over a foreign country’s (lack of) hoofcare policy. I always picture you red faced at your computer, sputtering away to yourself and pounding madly at keys.
It’s an internation forum you know. That means you sometimes just might have to put up with a perspective that’s outside your little world. Now I come here because of that reason. I visit the US from time to time and have clients there so I like to know what’s happening generally.
But you’ve actually judged me wrongly. I don’t get excited at all or give a flying fig for how the US chooses de-regulation and capitalism. Indeed I could happily argue that in some ways it’s beneficial. I do find it curious though that so many folks get all frothy about poor levels of competency and training and standards and yet rush to defend the right for anyone to do anything they want because that’s better than regulation or licencing of any sort.
I also find it pretty pathetic how so many folks are happy to put up with crap and even to go buying stuff (training) from folks who sell crap, but it doesn’t affect me negatively in any way whatsoever.
I sometimes wonder about the fact that since the number of horse owners increased, the knowledge level, let alone the skill level has been in severe decline. I wonder why owners don’t appreciate that it’s them who hold the purse strings and have a greater impact on the husbandry of the horse than any farrier and I do wonder whether it might not be better to licence them before they get the horse. Perhaps prior to issuing a licence there could be a check they’ve got everything they need in place prior to ownership.
Farrier yes/no*
Vet yes/no*
Ability to find the above yes/no*
A clue yes/no*
So rather than using your imagination to picture me redfaced just read what other countries do and merely consider whether or not you want to buy training from someone who buys his stated qualification for $75 off the internet and just because he can because good old capitalism reins supreme and there’s no one can do a thing about stopping it.
Then picture me smiling and saying “Well I never. What a sucker” because that’s how it really is.
Thomas I swear, I think you need to get a clue. It must not have occurred to you that there are fewer good farriers than there are horse owners to serve them.
There is a definite lack of skilled farriers in my area. I’m not new to this area, btw; I’ve lived here for over 35 years. If you want a lameness vet you go to someone who specializes in lameness, because most general vets will not be able to come up with a correct diagnosis.
Criticizing owners for taking over their own horses’ hoof care is ill-informed and immature, but coming from you it’s not surprising.
Institute of Applied Equine Podiatry sounds so GRAND though, doesn’t it?:yes:
Must suggest my farrier to get a more grandiose name for his business.
Same for this area. There are a few that seem to be really good - have met them, used their services, seen their work, like what they do. But there’s a TON of them that are absolutely scary. Some certified, some not. Sometimes the owner is the problem. I lost a barn because the owner wanted me to trim hooves really short so the trim “lasts” 10-12 weeks. She told me several times that she can give everybody bute if needed, so don’t worry about that. When I refused to play her game, she got somebody else in who would. She told me in an email that she wants someone who will “cut the soles back” every trim. When I first met her horses they hadn’t been trimmed in 6 months. They were all a disaster. The farrier she was using just started “not showing up” or showing up sporadically and trimming only 1 here, 2 there, wouldn’t do the whole barn. So she let them sit 6 months before looking for a new farrier (or trimmer as the case was).
In general I feel there is a lack of hoof care knowledge among many horse owners. (I used to be one of them ;)).
Wow! …
In general I feel there is a lack of hoof care knowledge among many horse owners. (I used to be one of them ;)).
YES! There is a scary lack of knowledge for sure!
DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY WITH KC LaPIERRE … PHoney Degree … he is a plagiarist … takes other peoples proven science, adds his ambiguous terms and calls it his and uses the word ‘superior’ …
Patty … what are NB principles you use
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