[QUOTE=Jazzy Lady;8147666]
If you look closely, he has a tipperary underneath.[/QUOTE]
I’m not certain there is…I wish this information was known.
What level is a Tipperary? The new one is a 3, so is the difference in the two Tipps is only the side panel? I can hardly see how that would have helped in this instance.
He does have a vest on underneath. You can see it in the picture. It’s black, and it is differentiated from the shirt and the air vest. But he for sure has some sort of vest on.
[QUOTE=Jealoushe;8147759]
What level is a Tipperary? The new one is a 3, so is the difference in the two Tipps is only the side panel? I can hardly see how that would have helped in this instance.[/QUOTE]
The old ones were not rated.
[QUOTE=Jazzy Lady;8147762]
The old ones were not rated.[/QUOTE]
Thank you…
Frankly, unless he had on an EXO or other firm external skeleton type vest (and maybe not even then), I suspect most of the engineers/technical folks will say the vest wouldn’t have made much of a difference - there’s simply too much mass and force compressing on too small a spot for a foam vest to absorb in this type of rotational fall. Reed could probably give you a better sense of the physics, but I’d bet that solid sides vs. Tipperary-type sides wouldn’t have helped that much, sad to say.
I assume he was wearing an old style Tipperary, but frankly, I doubt it mattered. I don’t think any foam vest is going to prevent you from being crushed if your horse falls on you vertically like that, with the saddle tree impacting the rider.
The biggest issue with the old style Tipperary that makes it not meet the new standards is the gaps between the foam and lack of coverage on the sides and under the zipper. I don’t see that as a factor in an accident like this, unless there was some foreign object that punctured his body and went into the lung between the foam padding.
I wonder if he was wearing an air vest when he was killed.
To be really snarky, if he was, that proves to me that air vests can’t always save a rider’s life. Which is not how they are advertised with all the rider testimonials to lives being saved.
I did find it interesting that the inquest stories didn’t mention an air vest.
[QUOTE=vineyridge;8147081]
Maybe this will be some impetus to reconsider EX0 type designs.
I’ve just been to Amazon, and body armor seems to be quite common in motorcycle racing. Surely some crossover to horses would be possible. The motorcycle armor is also less than 1/2 the cost of most popular horse rider vests.[/QUOTE]
Motorcycle armour, while very good for motorcycle racing, is not designed to protect you, and will not protect you, from a 1000+ Lb object landing right on top of your chest.
Did the air vest inflate?
Did he get thrown far enough from the horse to even trigger an air vest? If they fell together than the trigger wouldn’t be set off would it?
Very scary accident.
[QUOTE=Janet;8147896]
Motorcycle armour, while very good for motorcycle racing, is not designed to protect you, and will not protect you, from a 1000+ Lb object landing right on top of your chest.[/QUOTE]
…and unfortunately neither will an air vest. It is too bad that the air vest companies advertise and sell their product to the public who (understandably) assume that there has been some actual study and testing of the vests.
I hope that air vest manufacturers are studying and analyzing every fall involving a rider wearing their vests.
Testing your safety product on the consumer is a horrendous practice.
However, since that seems to be what they are doing, at the VERY LEAST they should study the actual performance of their product, as the purchasers of their air vests fall, if only as an afterthought…:mad:
Of course there is really no safety equipment that can save a rider from this type of fall.
Sending my continued sympathy to Mr. McDonald’s family and friends.
Ugh, in the meantime PointTwo is trying to use his accident as marketing, saying he “owned a PointTwo air jacket but was not wearing one that day.” Then they go to say that if you use an air vest, it will bring it up to Beta Level 3.
https://www.facebook.com/pointtwouk/videos/906845982691641/
Christ on a cracker. :mad: (By the way, I found this link via EN’s Twitter feed.)
Point Two is sleazy. Has been during its whole existence. If I were to invest that much money in an air vest, I’d go with the German one. Better yet, EXOs are still barely available new in A1, A2 and A4 sizes. Naturally I would take an A5.
Didn’t Woof give all rights to the EXO to BHS or BE? It needs to come back.
I wear a level 3 body protector, and I don’t believe it would save me from a horse landing on my chest. It’s quite solid and feels protective, but there’s no structure there to divert such a huge impact.
Yeah, flail chest is flail chest. Nothing is going to prevent that, I don’t think.
[QUOTE=vineyridge;8149332]
Point Two is sleazy. Has been during its whole existence. If I were to invest that much money in an air vest, I’d go with the German one. Better yet, EXOs are still barely available new in A1, A2 and A4 sizes. Naturally I would take an A5.
Didn’t Woof give all rights to the EXO to BHS or BE? It needs to come back.[/QUOTE]
It seems to me air vests are doing nothing anyways. Jess Phoenix had one and she broke her ribs and lacerated her liver among other things. Did the air vest cause this? Probably. Will we ever know? Probably not…because there is still no research. Seems like broken ribs and collapsed lungs are the norm in air vest accidents.
[QUOTE=vineyridge;8149332]
Point Two is sleazy. Has been during its whole existence. If I were to invest that much money in an air vest, I’d go with the German one. Better yet, EXOs are still barely available new in A1, A2 and A4 sizes. Naturally I would take an A5.
Didn’t Woof give all rights to the EXO to BHS or BE? It needs to come back.[/QUOTE]
VTO seems to have one in an A5, FYI. So does Tolkat. But they are expensive, $600.
Does anyone have experience with an Airowear?
[QUOTE=HiJumpGrrl;8149507]
Yeah, flail chest is flail chest. Nothing is going to prevent that, I don’t think.[/QUOTE]
It’s hard to say - the EXOs were reported to protect against exactly this sort of thing.
Unfortunately, Air vests (WHICH DO NOT) are winning over due to aggressive and deceitful marketing. Despite having NO PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE TO SUPPOT ANY SAFETY CLAIM AT ALL this marketing is apparently very convincing for a lot of this board who love to run into every thread where there is an injury and ask if the person was wearing one, why they weren’t wearing one, whishing they would have been wearing one, etc etc etc etc. Science is apparently hard.
