Introducing new horses with mare and foal in turnout

I was the person that had a mare kill another mare’s foal. Totally meant to do it and it was horrific. It happened so quickly. Actually she didn’t her, she maimed her to the point of euthanasia. Broke her leg in half above the hock.

Hardest thing I ever had to do was turn mares and foals out together again. It was fine, me not so much. I still blame myself for that day.

For me, mixed herds will never be an option. Hard enough the normal way of mares and babies. Don’t care as my experiences dictate otherwise.

Terri

We would never put a mare and foal out with a gelding. We actually don’t mix them when they are adults.
Broodmares go out with other broodmares and their foals. When they are weaned the foals go out with other foals until they are at the age where boys/girls have to be segregated.

To the OP - I wouldn’t add another mare in to this situation.

I’m not considering putting another mare out with them. I know some barns that separate mares and geldings and I have heard the arguements both ways. At my facility, we do not separate the girls from the boys. We separate the horses based on their personalities and dominance. But I personally think that the male/female dynamic is a very important part of a herd mentality and the general way that horses socialize. Even my most dominant mare allows the dominant gelding to eat first. But at any rate… I’ve seen separating them work well at some barns and at others there was no difference in injuries, etc with them separated. Knock on wood, we have never had anything worse than a bite mark on any of ours while in mixed turnout.

As far as the baby and mama go… I’m planning on switching them to pm turnout for the first time today. Its 104 here today and I’m not comfortable w them being out in that. So they stayed in today and will go out tonight. I’m still feeling wimpy about letting their old friend out w them. It seemed to go well last weekend, but I’m having a hard time bringing myself to do it again. I just know weaning will be so much easier if they have other buddies (esp for baby).

The thing about it is your either lucky to have babysitter geldings or not. Even slightly insinuating any person is at fault is quite frankly a little hurtful. And even in my situation. You want to make me out as over reactive and that I did something wrong. Tell me that when you have to tackle your foal in the field who is trying to gallop away on a leg that’s broken in half. Or having to lay on that foal til the vet arrives. The mare who attacked gave no indication she would do that to another foal. They lived across from each other in separate fields and spent all their time together at the fenceline.

My stepmother ended up in Shock Trauma via helicopter when her foal some how got through palling in with the gelding. My stepmom through herself on top of the foal and doesn’t remember anything after. Her foal lived. There is a gelding on this property that turns into a raving lunatic any time a mare is closer than a field away. Runs the fenceline and hollers all day. If he’s in with a mare he chases them non stop and will mount anything. He’s not mine. He’s had all the testing done and is not a rig. He is a giant PITA. Some geldings are not wonderful characters and sometimes it’s all fine and dandy til it isn’t. Unfortunately when it’s not fine it can be horrific.

So saying things like, " someone on this board had a mare kill a foal, so what you don’t turn out mares and foals together". Cheers for that. I did turn out mares and foals together again and to be honest I think I spent all day out by the field looking for any little sign with a sick stomach. Of course it all worked out. But if you don’t know what it’s like, and if everything works out fine, you have no idea what someone else has gone through and how they feel. I don’t do mixed herds either. My decision. Doesn’t make me a fool or better. It’s just the way I roll.

Terri

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Even slightly insinuating any person is at fault is quite frankly a little hurtful. And even in my situation. You want to make me out as over reactive and that I did something wrong. Tell me that when you have to tackle your foal in the field who is trying to gallop away on a leg that’s broken in half. Or having to lay on that foal til the vet arrives. The mare who attacked gave no indication she would do that to another foal. They lived across from each other in separate fields and spent all their time together at the fenceline.

My stepmother ended up in Shock Trauma via helicopter when her foal some how got through palling in with the gelding. My stepmom through herself on top of the foal and doesn’t remember anything after. Her foal lived. There is a gelding on this property that turns into a raving lunatic any time a mare is closer than a field away. Runs the fenceline and hollers all day. If he’s in with a mare he chases them non stop and will mount anything. He’s not mine. He’s had all the testing done and is not a rig. He is a giant PITA. Some geldings are not wonderful characters and sometimes it’s all fine and dandy til it isn’t. Unfortunately when it’s not fine it can be horrific.

So saying things like, " someone on this board had a mare kill a foal, so what you don’t turn out mares and foals together". Cheers for that. I did turn out mares and foals together again and to be honest I think I spent all day out by the field looking for any little sign with a sick stomach. Of course it all worked out. But if you don’t know what it’s like, and if everything works out fine, you have no idea what someone else has gone through and how they feel. I don’t do mixed herds either. My decision. Doesn’t make me a fool or better. It’s just the way I roll.

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Did I insinuate that what happened was your fault? If something that I said sounded that way, then I am very sorry because I don’t think that at all. You may be replying to someone else, but I reread and didn’t see anything about someone blaming you for your tragedy. What I said about mixing herds in general was in conversational (not combative) response to ise’s comments.

At any rate, I think you are totally right. I wish there was a fool proof way to do this and ensure a good outcome. But sometimes you just can’t know until you try it. And as much as I sit at the fenceline and watch, I know that if the gelding decided to kill my baby, there’s nothing that little 'ol me could do to stop a raging 1200lb horse. I guess you are either luckyh and it works out, or you aren’t. I’m very sorry that in one case you weren’t so lucky, equilibrium. Could just as easily be anyone who doesn’t keep babies only with their mamas.

Foxy, was not you at all. I’m glad it all worked out with your baby and the herd. Many people have this work.

Terri

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So saying things like, " someone on this board had a mare kill a foal, so what you don’t turn out mares and foals together". [/QUOTE]

Terri, I said that, and I think you took it all wrong :eek: :eek:

Oh goodness I did not mean it as anything against you or your decision! :no:

My point was -someone had a gelding kill a foal, so says “don’t turn geldings out with foals!”. Someone else had a mare kill a foal (and I certainly wasn’t going to name names!) - so what are you supposed to do, not turn foals out with anyone?

It was commenting on the fact that any horse can kill a foal if the situation is just…wrong. Mares have even killed their OWN foals.

That was not judgemental towards you in the slighest and I’m so, so sorry it came across that way!! :frowning:

I always turn my mares/foals out together with no problems. The worst thing I’ve had happen was a fractured jaw (and knowing his mother, it may have been from her…) Occasionally I will turn an open mare out with them but it’s always a broodmare who just happens to not have a baby that year. All my mares know each other well and live in a herd together when they do not have foals at their sides.

I had a foal get loose once and get in a pasture with the most benign gelding you could imagine. He violent attacked her. We managed to get them separated and the foal ran through the fence and got in with another easy gelding - that one violently attacked her too. Another time we had a mare foal unexpectedly out in a pasture with a totally submissive 2 yr old gelding. When the workers found them, they haltered the mare and the foal got scared and ran over toward the gelding. He violently attacked her and they had to let the mare go so she could protect her baby. I will NEVER put a gelding in with foals after my experiences.