Investor Minded Question - Why are there no stall condos? Or are there?

I’ve been looking for awhile to find a nice facility with an indoor around where I live and there’s really nothing. The land is so expensive here that I get why new facilities aren’t being built. But it occurs to me that the economics of a facility might work better if instead of leasing a stall & care “board”, it’s a purchase with the cost capitalized over time and a condo fee paid to cover expenses associated with running the facility.

So for example, the cost of a stall at $450 a year would go to ownership of the stall at (in this example) $100k and anything above that would be a fee to run the business. The owner would benefit from the ability to own an appreciating asset or possibly lease it out to another owner.

I’d imagine it would be hard to find financing for a condo stall but not impossible.

Does anything like this exist? I must be missing something because it seems like it could be really profitable and effectively offload variable costs in the form of board from barn owner to each individual stall owner.

Your example confused me. How does the $450/year and the $100K work?

I think there is too many other issues.

If you buy a condo and you decide to not take care of it (the inside) no one else really cares. If you buy this stall and you leave your horse with out proper care then what happens?

How will the price include turn out space, storage space for hay, feed, bedding and tack?
Will each owner have to find their own liability insurance?

After having one experience as a condo owner and the bizarre and nutty world of condo association politics, I can only imagine the complete and utter insanity of a barn where different owners owned each stall.

No way! the truth is that too often things go wrong in barns. I’d never want to be tied to a boarding barn (and I board horses!) what if you ended up with one of those BOs we are always reading about here doing crazy things like not feeding/watering the horses…you want to be able to leave on 30 days’ notice without being tied to the real estate.

To me, hell is a homeowner’s association. a condo board would be the ninth circle.

There were a few barns in the Southlands area in Vancouver that used to run like that. Apparently it was… special… :eek:

I have not heard of that barn at Southlands (BC) for years - did the idea fly?
Seems they were costly at the time.

The $450 is the financing cost of $100k at 3%, as an example…All the other points are 100% valid. Horse people are crazy (self included :)).

Horse people be crazy. No way do I want to be locked into a boarding situation.

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I have not heard of that barn at Southlands (BC) for years - did the idea fly?
Seems they were costly at the time.[/QUOTE]

I know it was still going a few years ago, but it may have been the maynard’s place IIRC.

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The $450 is the financing cost of $100k at 3%, as an example…All the other points are 100% valid. Horse people are crazy (self included :)).[/QUOTE]

On a 360 year loan?

No way I could see it happening. Closest is the horsey neighborhoods with association trails/arenas.

The association fees would also have to include things like the taxes on the property, equipment to maintain the property, etc.

It just gets crazier and crazier the more you add the numbers up.

I was president of a condo board (for people.) Put property on market the day after a brutal meeting that culminated with another owner inviting my husband outside for a fist fight. Thinking about the barn dramas I have seen, I can’t, just can’t, imagine horse fights.

There was once a barn with co-op boarding in my city. I did not board there. But it was leased from family friends, so it wasn’t like co-op housing or condo housing. But the boarders did share expenses and duties and costs, but they hired a BM since the owners of the barn did not have horses or deal with the management of the barn.

I heard in Hawaii this is how it works.

You have to “buy” a stall, pay monthly “maintenance”, and then if you want to leave you have to find someone to “sell” your stall to.

Pretty much ixnayed Hawaii as a dream destination for me.

Nnnnope!!

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I have not heard of that barn at Southlands (BC) for years - did the idea fly?
Seems they were costly at the time.[/QUOTE]

According to their website they welcome inquiries on whether they have any stalls available for sale, so it sounds like it is still a thing.

To me it sounds closing to an independent living/assisted living arrangement rather than a condo.
With independent living you buy the apartment and still pay a monthly fee to live there. There are additional fees depending on what meal plans you select- 1,2,3 meals a day=extra hay and housekeeping=turn-out boots.

With condos they don’t provide housekeeping, meals, walk your dog or clean the litter box.

Although with most assisted living/independent living you get 90% of a higher fee back when you “leave” or 50% of a lower fee so you lose money not make money.

I think being a BM for a set up like this would be awful. All the boarders are equal owners. With an ownership stake the members will feel like they have more say on how the barn is run, maintenance, landscaping, snow removal, what turn-out field Dobbin is in, what time the horses get fed. Does somebody with 2 horses have more clout then somebody with 1 since they have more equity?
What happens if the BM leaves? Do all the members get together and vote on a new BM? Who initially screens them? What do you do about a BM until you get a consensus on who to hire?

So you get a new job in another state. No only do you need to sell your house your need to sell your stall. If there isn’t a waiting list good luck on that. Plus the waiting list may need to be a few deep before you find the person on the list that is ready right at that moment to move Fluffy and plop down a big upfront fee.
What happens if you bought in 2006 when everyone had lots more disposable income and now it it 2008 and you need to sell? Oops the economy has tanked, people don’t want to commit that much money for a hobby so either you can’t sell your stall or take a 50% loss.

So you love the place when you move in. You now hate the new barn manager, trainer. You decide to go from being a hunter to an eventer so want a barn with XC course on-site. The drama llama arrived with a big clique of witchy women so you dread going to the barn.
You need to sell your stall to leave. No just giving 30 days notice. If the care really detoriorates that giving 30 days notice but leaving that day really hurts since you still need to sell your stall.

Condos do not involve the care of a living breathing animal. It is ownership of property and maintenance of the grounds and facilities such as pool or gym and maintenance of the exteriors of the dwellings.

You might be able to take away some of the issues if the BO owns 51% of the facility and by selling all of the stalls the members own up to 49%. This way the BO stays constant. She controls hiring, firing, insurance, barn policies, barn schedules. But the same things hold if she suddenly goes off her meds, has a mid-life crisis, gets burned out so care slips. How do you quickly get your horse to a safe place? Heck if you have a falling out with her she can sabotage you being able to sell your stall. Do you still need to pay the monthly fee even if you left and can’t sell your stall?

There were some in So Cal years…OK, decades…ago. Burbank area, If you bought a condo or rented an apartment in the community you could also buy or annually rent a dry stall (services available for extra fees) but not by the month, mirrored your apartment lease time frame. Knew those who did both of these and they said it was was universally awful and they were stuck with it.

Have personally boarded in an HOA operated barn, month to month, thank god, I lasted 3 months. All reasons already brought up. Like renting in general there are disadvantages in biarding month to month but also a big plus in the fact if you don’t like it or if things go south you can get out.

You buy or sign a long term lease on a stall? You are stuck.