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Horsetails - do you have more on Mountain Pearl since he went home? Or on any of his other offspring? Seems to me Deltawave has one. Always interesting to hear of similarly bred horses.
One of my favourite statistics is that of the top 15 horses that evented in Hong Kong 2008, 7 were Irish bred.[/QUOTE]
Irish sport horses have until recently led the WBFSH lists for eventing, only recently dethroned by a registry that produces a whole lot more horses
[QUOTE=Foxtrot’s;6291220]
Horsetails - do you have more on Mountain Pearl since he went home? Or on any of his other offspring? Seems to me Deltawave has one. Always interesting to hear of similarly bred horses.
One of my favourite statistics is that of the top 15 horses that evented in Hong Kong 2008, 7 were Irish bred.[/QUOTE]
He returned in 2007 so his offspring there are really just getting going U/S. His stallion RID son Bridon Beale Street is in CA and eventing just was 2nd at Prelim. The MP temperaments are so nice, they are snapped up be ammies. I know of several eventing in the MN area and doing well at their level
I did see this in their news, but not sure the date
ISH Grandson of Mountain Pearl receives score of 10 for jumping ability Breakthrough - a four year old bay gelding out of a Mare by the great Mountain Pearl had taken the Four Year Old Class at the recent CavanIndoor Championships. Owned by the Ministry of Defence and bred by Paul Dillion from Co. Down, Judge Barry O Connor spoke very highly of the winner and concurred to award the highest mark for the gelding’s jumping ability. “I have been judging horses for over 10 years and this is the first time I have ever given scores of 10.”
Mountain Pearl currently ranks #15 in USEF Leading Eventing Sires List
Great to see especially as they are truly irish blooded horses rather than jsut your warmblood bred in Ireland
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Great to see especially as they are truly irish blooded horses rather than jsut your warmblood bred in Ireland[/QUOTE]
Most ID enthusiasts don’t like the faux Irish horses
And most sport enthusiasts don’t like the faux athletes that most of today’s IDs are!
I want a Clover Brigade horse, preferably something just like Peter Barry’s horse. I’ve done some googling, but there don’t seem to be much out there, at least for sale . =)
Don’t ever forget Pallas Digion. He’s also at Acorn Hill, and he’s getting older, but he’s got the 4* and Olympic event horse, Spring Along, who has the 2nd most lifetime points for a single event horse. Lenamore, also Irish and still chugging along at 18 or 19 is #1. Lenamore is Sea Crest x a beautifully bred TB. Between Cruising and Sea Crest, I’d personally rather have Sea Crest.
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I did see this in their news, but not sure the date
ISH Grandson of Mountain Pearl receives score of 10 for jumping ability Breakthrough - a four year old bay gelding out of a Mare by the great Mountain Pearl had taken the Four Year Old Class at the recent CavanIndoor Championships. Owned by the Ministry of Defence and bred by Paul Dillion from Co. Down, Judge Barry O Connor spoke very highly of the winner and concurred to award the highest mark for the gelding’s jumping ability. “I have been judging horses for over 10 years and this is the first time I have ever given scores of 10.”
Mountain Pearl currently ranks #15 in USEF Leading Eventing Sires List[/QUOTE]
They carefully forgot to mention that the sire of that horse was one of Showjumpings very best sires heartbreaker, the horse has since went on to win a silver medal at Lanaken (renamed by the army equitation - as per their tradition - to DRUMILLER LOUGH - the name of an area close to where the horse was born).
I think the only bit of faux Irish here is carefully omitting the continental contribution to what is an irish jumping machine (he went a year with only one fence down). His Irish passport certainly doesnt hide his breeding.
My only point was it was great to see some traditional irish bloodlines winning. Bloodlines are easily lost forever, even when they still have much to offer.
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I want a Clover Brigade horse, preferably something just like Peter Barry’s horse.[/QUOTE]
:yes: This :yes:
Who wouldn’t?!
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My only point was it was great to see some traditional irish bloodlines winning. Bloodlines are easily lost forever, even when they still have much to offer.[/QUOTE]
Right. Many ID enthusiasts want to keep the traditional ID and use that stock to outcross for sport horses. The point is to keep the traditional ID as an important PART of the sport horse breeding program.
Look at the Connemara pony. It was heavily “improved” with the addition of outside blood, primarily the TB Little Heaven and his son Texas Hope. And they were super ponies, Foxridge Starlight, Custusha’s Cashel Rock, Hideaway’s Erin Go Bragh, Hideaway’s Greystone Alex, Greystone Mc errill and so many more. But were they Connemara ponies in name only? Would an old Irish farmer recognize them?
Probably not.
So Connemara enthusiasts have spent YEARS trying to get the traditional type back.
SOME ID enthusiasts are hoping to avoid going down that road.
I wonder if an old Holstein farmer would recognize his breed today.
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I wonder if an old Holstein farmer would recognize his breed today.[/QUOTE]
Well, they sure do keep those old style mares around. Have visited the top stud farms over there, and there are some that [flame away but it’s true] look like cart horses. However, they keep them around and breed them to the likes of Diarado (or so I noticed while visiting).
I’ve come to appreciate a prepotent mare, and understand the difference between a broodmare and all others. When you can rely on a mare, and there is very little risk in some key components she will reproduce - the type is less important, at least for the breeding horse.
[QUOTE=carolprudm;6293061]
Right. Many ID enthusiasts want to keep the traditional ID and use that stock to outcross for sport horses. The point is to keep the traditional ID as an important PART of the sport horse breeding program.
Look at the Connemara pony. It was heavily “improved” with the addition of outside blood, primarily the TB Little Heaven and his son Texas Hope. And they were super ponies, Foxridge Starlight, Custusha’s Cashel Rock, Hideaway’s Erin Go Bragh, Hideaway’s Greystone Alex, Greystone Mc errill and so many more. But were they Connemara ponies in name only? Would an old Irish farmer recognize them?
Probably not.
So Connemara enthusiasts have spent YEARS trying to get the traditional type back.
SOME ID enthusiasts are hoping to avoid going down that road.[/QUOTE]
Exactly this.
And no an old Irish farmer would not have recognized many of the ‘American Connemara ponies’ as being Connemara ponies either. (Took back to Ireland one summer a few old American Connemara magazines and they sparked an interesting discussion and reaction among breeders who thumbed through them especially on lack of type and bone and substance).
I got bored one day fooling around with my pedigree program and did blood percentages on several of the more famous American Connemaras and their bloodlines. Some were 60-80% Thoroughbred and maybe 5-7% native pony (the rest being a mishmash of Arab or a few specklings of Irish Draught blood).
It’s good to see the “traditional” Irish Sporthorse and traditional Irish breeding do so well at the upper levels.
No faux anything about them. They are the real deal.
Does anyone know who Samgemgee is? He’s representing Ireland this weekend in The Nations Cup. Shares a dam with Flexible. He’s by the warmblood Ramiro B. We don’t know her damline unfortunately but heck of a producer. Damsire is TB.
If it’s eventing you want well Cavalier Royal changed breeding over here for the better. His jumpers, eventers, and now as a damsire will continue what he first started.
I wouldn’t be so quick to criticise the way Irish breeders are breeding now. To be competitive in this day and age staying traditional doesn’t suffice. Adding blood to tradionals and then adding some of the best warmblood is producing some very nice horses the country can be proud of in the world of competition. Still Irish bred.
Terri
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Does anyone know who Samgemgee is? He’s representing Ireland this weekend in The Nations Cup. Shares a dam with Flexible. He’s by the warmblood Ramiro B. We don’t know her damline unfortunately but heck of a producer. Damsire is TB.
If it’s eventing you want well Cavalier Royal changed breeding over here for the better. His jumpers, eventers, and now as a damsire will continue what he first started.
I wouldn’t be so quick to criticise the way Irish breeders are breeding now. To be competitive in this day and age staying traditional doesn’t suffice. Adding blood to tradionals and then adding some of the best warmblood is producing some very nice horses the country can be proud of in the world of competition. Still Irish bred.
Terri[/QUOTE]
Of course. But in order to have the traditional stock to breed to you have to value them and breed them.
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Exactly this.
And no an old Irish farmer would not have recognized many of the ‘American Connemara ponies’ as being Connemara ponies either. (Took back to Ireland one summer a few old American Connemara magazines and they sparked an interesting discussion and reaction among breeders who thumbed through them especially on lack of type and bone and substance).
I got bored one day fooling around with my pedigree program and did blood percentages on several of the more famous American Connemaras and their bloodlines. Some were 60-80% Thoroughbred and maybe 5-7% native pony (the rest being a mishmash of Arab or a few specklings of Irish Draught blood).
It’s good to see the “traditional” Irish Sporthorse and traditional Irish breeding do so well at the upper levels.
No faux anything about them. They are the real deal.[/QUOTE]
Nice stallion butttt…
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/greystone+limited+edition
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Nice stallion butttt…
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/greystone+limited+edition[/QUOTE]
Prime example.
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Prime example.[/QUOTE]
I have a 1/2 TB mare by his brother special edition, and actually she is a very nice mare, First Premium American Sport Pony, but without a grain of Connemara type. She produced a lovely TYPEY IDSH by Glenlara but Bonnie looks more like a GRP than a Conn
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I have a 1/2 TB mare by his brother special edition, and actually she is a very nice mare, First Premium American Sport Pony, but without a grain of Connemara type. She produced a lovely TYPEY IDSH by Glenlara but Bonnie looks more like a GRP than a Conn[/QUOTE]
Hideaway’s Special Edition?
I LOVE him. He was a fixture in our region for years and his owner has recently moved. She gelded him years ago and he’s just a fantastic competitor. Very cool too with a great personality.
Wigum - Call me dumb, but I don’t get what you are saying in your post. I wouldln’t care and just click on, but am interested in Mountain Pearl commentary. Can you re-phrase?? 
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