Irish Setters? The good, bad and ugly?

After reading the Shubu Inu thread I’m almost afraid to ask. But…

I’m thinking of getting an Irish Setter as my next dog.

The general info about them seems to be a good match. We love large dogs and I am home almost 24/7. My children are grown and my older son is taking our cat with him when he moves out.

I love the look, but I have never owned one. I don’t know what they are like to live with.

Does anyone here know about them or have one?

We have had 3 lab crosses. So we are used to the large puppy stage that lasts 3 years, lol.

We want our next dog to be a bit easier to handle when mature. Our current dog is still very much a puppy in her head.

I used to live across the street from a small time breeder. Hers were AKC confo dogs NOT working gun dog lines. They were LOVELY, lovely dogs. Pretty active. Loved to fetch. But pretty soft and easy to manage personalities. Not the brightest. Not the most trainable (but my breeds are herding breeds so that colors my interpretation of intelligence and trainability). Think golden retriever but with a little less intelligence? But similar personality and drive. The coat was a fair amount of upkeep and when the dogs got older the coats got a little ragged. and never quite looked right I think it can be a little hard to find one, they’re just not that popular. I think they’re nice dogs, if you can find a nice one and you have a fairly active household.

I don’t have personal experience with them but would concur with the post above from anecdotal experience from dog shows and handlers that have had Irish Setters.

Breeding is really important in this breed because they are known to have really sketchy temperaments - that is what people “say” about them, anyway. (I am not saying it is true, I own a breed that people describe as neurotic or crazy…but it makes you wonder if they had any idea what they were getting.)

If you really like the look, description, coat type, etc., the best thing you can really do is get to know some and decide for yourself. Here is the link to the National Breed Club’s breeder directory - it gives a big disclaimer about bad breeders and health testing before you can proceed. I would read it to get a sense of what they think can go wrong…and then see if you can go meet some dogs!

Field lines or show lines are both good if they have the temperament you like - but it depends on what you want. In some breeds (not sure about Irish Setters) the field types can be difficult, or they can be really smart (and show lines are dumb). But whether smart/dumb is good/bad…is in the eyes of the beholder. :slight_smile: I wouldn’t discount either option until you are sure what you want.

Since they’re not super popular, I don’t meet many these days. I have a client who breeds them, hers are sweet and easy to live with. I know a couple who are agility dogs, enough drive to title, but again, pleasant to live with. I would suggest looking at Flatcoat retrievers as well

I owned and showed an Irish Setter in Jr. Showmanship when I was a kid. I love the breed, and have owned several. There is a split between the working lines and the conformation lines. The working (or field) lines are somewhat smaller and have less coat. The conformation lines are slightly bigger/heavier and have more coat.

I loved the temperament. Mine were happy, slightly goofy dogs that were pretty active. I had two that were dynamite trail riding buddies. As mentioned, they were not the easiest breed to train, but they were all so sweet. Their coats do need grooming, although they don’t shed super heavily. And they are so gorgeous.
Sheilah

I always wanted an Irish Setter or Gordon Setter. I knew a family who had horses who also bred Irish Setters. They had three daughters and the girls hair was the same color the dogs’ coats–they were beautiful (the girls and the dogs, lol)! Their dogs seemed to have lovely temperaments.

By contrast, my husband’s aunt and uncle had an Irish Setter who, apparently, was a mess! High strung, frenetic, a hot mess and spoiled.

Meet the dam and sire before you buy your puppy, raise it sensibly (stay calm) and don’t spoil it–you should be okay. :wink:

Best of luck! Please report back and let us know how it all turns out!

Gordon setters arenice dogs and very beautiful, as trainable as any of the hunters. And reasonably calm.

Thank you for the great info.

I have an IS breeder 30 mins from me. I think I will call and ask what their lines are like for a family pet.

I’m hoping a purebred will give me a little more info on how it will mature. I don’t want anything that might have aggression issues. No more Shepard crosses for me.

I don’t think I will tell my husband how much they cost though. $1200 will give him a heart attack. Better he just doesnt know. I know he will fall in love with any sweet puppy.

He thinks we should get a Dachshund. I told him he won’t like a terrier’s attitude. He likes the instant obedience from our labX’s.

We both love our big goofy girl. She makes us laugh everyday. But the aggression from her with our old dog really shook us up. I won’t get another dog until she is gone.

Re grooming. I don’t find grooming dogs to be much work after grooming horses all my life, lol.

I have owned (been owned by?) an Irish Setter for 10 years.
He was an ‘impulse buy’ after a rough breakup. I got him from a Mennonite puppy farm…so not the most responsible / dedicated breeding situation, but not a gross puppy mill either.
He is AKC registered and more conformation lines than working lines.
Temperament wise he is happy-go-lucky, not the most trainable but an absolute love sponge, Energizer Bunny even at 10 years old. Not an aggressive bone in his body, but strong enough bark to give would-be intruders pause. Not the brightest canine citizen in a few ways, but just a sweetheart. 10/10 would own him again, and feel lucky he’s still going strong at his age.

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That sounds perfect for us. We want a sweet dog above a smart one. Dyna wasn’t the sharpest dog but she had the best nature.

Oops - I was wrong on price. The Irish Setter is $2000 for a quality pet puppy.

The Dachshund puppy was $1200. But looks like a backyard breeder.

I would rather spend the $$$ on the dog/puppy than at the vets. Last year cost us almost $3000. And I couldn’t save my girl.

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My family had two Irish Setters when I was growing up; the first one from show lines and the second one from working lines, and there was no question which was which based on their coats. Neither was terribly smart but they were both wonderful family pets. Neither had anything close to resembling a mean streak, but both were quirky. The first one was quirky in a high strung and nervous kind of way (completely fell apart during thunderstorms, fireworks, etc), but I don’t recall it was to a degree that was unmanageable. The second one was less high strung but very hard to contain. We got the invisible fence when it first came out on the market, and that dog figured out that if she tilted her head a certain way, the collar prongs would lose contact with her neck and she could run right out the driveway to freedom. And she would literally run around the neighborhood for ten straight hours before coming home. Seriously - every time.

About a year ago I thought I might want to get a second dog and I found an Irish Setter breeder close to me so I put myself on his waiting list, but by the time he contacted me to tell me he had a puppy I got cold feet only because I didn’t think it was a good time to bring a puppy/second dog into the household, so I declined. It had nothing to do with the breed.

The barn I grew up at had an Irish Setter that was quirky like my family dogs at the time. The next barn dog was a Gordon Setter who was a big old lovable goofball. I have an English Setter now who is the absolute sweetest, easiest dog ever but she does have a bit of a nervous streak to her. In my limited experience, the Gordon Setter is the most easy-going and adaptable of the setter breeds. I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest that any of them are particularly intelligent, but they all seem to be very people-oriented.

A friend of mine had one and they definitely aren’t the brightest bulb on the tree.

Remember this movie with the Irish Setter?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gS0G0Jtp1fI

I didn’t have an Irish setter, but I had an English setter that was a field dog abandoned in the field and ended up nearly starved to death before he was picked up by Animal Control. To the best of my knowledge, he’d never been in a house. He didn’t know what stairs were. When he learned my house was his home, he never left beyond sight of the house. The other dogs would run in the woods, and he’d start with them, but turn around when he got to the heavy brush. There was nothing he wanted more than to lie beside me, head on my foot. Pat was soft and loving,

StG

$2K for a quality dog of a less common breed seems about right to me

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Just to repeat what has been said about this in the past - many very good breeders do not own the sire AND the dam. It is very normal that you would not have the opportunity to meet the sire unless he just happens to live in the area. Just like with horses - semen is easy to ship, or to freeze - and a the sire might even be dead.

Breeders that own both the sire and the dam are not usually at the top of my list for the definition of “good breeders” because it is one indicator or a “Backyard Breeder” or puppy mill. (Breeding for convenience, rather than for specific attributes.) It happens sometimes, but more often than not, good breeders do not own both. Or, have them both on the same premises, if they happen to be the breeder/co-owner of both.

If possible, meet the dam and any previous offspring. It’s very common for breeders to own relatives from the dam line.

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I’ve always heard that Irish Setters are too stupid to find their way to the end of the leash. But in my experience, the ones I’ve dealt with have always been wonderful dogs.

Be prepared to spend $ at the vet anyway. Dogs aren’t cheap.

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When I was a kid, I wanted a puppy. (This was probably 40 yrs ago now) The local want ads had puppies - German Shepherd/Irish Setter cross.
My mom took me to look and I came home with a female I named Honeybee.

She never did learn to fetch, but she would point. She was hyper - but for a kid running around the countryside that was a non-issue. She was timid also - it always took her quite some time to accept new experiences (like coming in the house, or when I took her to school for a project).

Her personality was always friendly; she was never aggressive.

Later on is when I learned that Setters can be hyper - never mind the GS because in my mind those were ‘police dogs’ and the idea that daddy could’ve contributed to the hyper never crossed my mind!

Anyway…she was a sweet lovable dog but perfectly suited to life on a farm.

Two friend have had Irish Setters. Similar personality. Both didn’t have a mean bone in their body, neither were easy to train, high energy, neither were very bright. The one had the full long coat and heavy feathers. The other friend’s is very short coated.
I am actually wondering if he is a cross since she refers to his breed as Red Setter but I can’t find anything about Red Setters. He looks and acts like an Irish Setter but has minimal feathers.