Is Dressage Declining?

All of this.

So, what do we do about it? I’m trying to get my nieces into horses - dressage would be nice, but I don’t see it happening. But, if I can get them to like horses, maybe they will one day be advocates. Anyone who asks about my clothes (at the grocery store) or any horse question, I try to answer politely with a smile, so that they don’t see all riders as snooty. I promote GMO/USDF/USEF membership - we are stronger together than as individuals, and if you’re not a member you have absolutely no voice. Now that I think of it, maybe I should join the American Horse Council…
Any other ideas?

@xQHDQ Good start! I too am happy to show people my horse and let them feed his ego with more pats and treats. Often, it is their first time (or first time in a LONG time) that they have had direct contact with a horse, so I’m happy to answer questions (some of which are hilarious) and explain how the stable works. However, I won’t let them ‘hop on’ my giant hot blooded gelding for obvious safety reasons, but I do refer them to a decent trainer for beginner lessons.

Also volunteer at local shows, and keep an eye on local politics. That boarding barn that was on state land but threatened with closure (to make room for a parking lot!) was not even my boarding barn, but I attended hearings and protests in solidarity to add to the ‘pro-horse’ side. Support your local feed and tack stores so they stay in business and maintain a good competitive balance. Donate to horse rescues and therapeutic riding centers.

Be nice to beginners! Lend the new rider a hand if they look clueless about something, or if its someone’s first show, give them a compliment on their test, or their braids or jacket or whatever. Who cares if they got a 55% in Intro B - they showed up and tried!

I love your comment on being friendly when wearing your barn togs around town. So many people have stopped me at the gas station or grocery store b/c of my breeches & boots. Admittedly, I’m tired, dirty and don’t want to chat, but people light up when they are talking about horses. One lady had no idea that there were horse barns nearby. She had recently moved toe the area and used to ride “when she was younger” and was thinking of getting back into it. I gave her some recommendations and found out a few months later that she was taking lessons w/ the trainer I recommended. So that was really cool.

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dressage in my area is declining, other disciplines are increasing. IMHO the local dressage club has two issues - they do not do any outreach to grassroots so the stereotype of needing a 40k warmblood and 5k custom saddle is alive and well and all of their shows are sanctioned and multiday and for the area quite expensive - so new people simply are not trying that first show.

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You have a good point… and it makes me curious. I don’t know another discipline where so much of riders’ discretionary income can be thrown toward great teachers. The model of the lesson (with the rider/owner doing most of the riding) and the infrequent, expensive clinic are established institutions in DressageWorld. It seems to me that this is the one corner or the horse world that would financially reward those who are great at teaching as opposed to riding or buying and selling or simply well-mounted.

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Hunter jumper barns and shows are on the steep decline where I’m at. Barns are for sale and being developed. No rated shows exist in my state anymore alrhalth we had plenty years ago. Even the local shows have mostly dried up and you may have just a couple in your class. 20 years ago classes were full. Barns and shows existed all over. Why? Try googling population statistics. Do you know how many more people are here now vs the 1980s? Supply and demand for land. Look at some city maps from 40 years ago. See how much land is getting eaten up for housing. That’s why the middle class is getting shoved out of horses. The price is way too high as resources are at a premium.

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Well, NEDA is currently running our regional champs with a 9 ring show. Yes, some shows are struggling, but many are not. Personally, my own 34 stalls facility is full with a wait list. My biggest problem is finding good staff.

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Every barn I know around me is having hard time finding help. I see the next biggest problem will be when there no longer is any help… the trainers will then need to be doing the barn work at the expense of their income (training) being the next big price jump. I see more barns closing due to this.

I really hope the industry can survive.

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That’s because we live in an affluent area and all jobs paying low wages are having trouble getting help.

I would argue that it’s because ICE has moved into Morristown and rumored to be coming into Dover next. The migrant workers are scared and hiding or leaving. The few legal workers are now in very high demand.

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Well, we don’t use migrant workers, so that isn’t our problem. I find it is more that the young people just don’t want to do the work. They make the same pay at McDonalds. Some of them expect to be riding the horses instead of cleaning stalls. Riding is something that is earned - we may allow you to hop on once the days work is done, but it isn’t your day job lol.

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I have noticed that both the local tack shops and a couple of local big barns are having tons of trouble getting and keeping decent help. People don’t seem want to work as physically hard as is necessary on a horse farm regardless of the pay and some of it is quite good (meals included, board for a horse, lessons). They just don’t want to put that much physical effort out day in and day out.

The few who do show up are “wedded to their smart phones” so frequently zoned out looking at screen between actual horse chores, and they need to be prompted to for the next task, rather than just going ahead and doing it. And the younger girls seem to be unable to do things as individuals, they travel in pairs. So much so, that the head person at one particular large farm I visit, has accepted that if he wants any sort of workers -he has to send the girls off in pairs to do simple tasks, which of course takes twice as long because they end up sharing stories that pop up on their screens and the mutual eye rolling and sighing about being told what to do is worse when there are two. Asking them to put the phones away for the whole day doesn’t seem to work because they just won’t.

Ditto in the tack shops, they are stuck behind the counter either sharing things online with each other, or surfing…they don’t seem to want to interact with customers or get out on the shop floor. If you “make them” they quit.

Not saying that it is everywhere this way, but just some observations from my local places. On the plus side, if you are a young person who doesn’t behave this way you will stand out tremendously.

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If you don’t pay well you will get lower skilled help. Teens on their first jobs are rarely exemplary employees especially if they are working in a place they also have fun. The local race track still manages to find full time workers because they pay more, they offer full time jobs, and they hire adults. There are even some job training schemes for unemployed adults.

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You can’t blame an entire industry’s problems on “kids these days and their cell phones.” How incredibly obtuse! There are loads of hardworking young people who love horses and have no problem putting in the hours because they understand that it is necessary. I think everyone in this industry needs to be aware of how they treat the people who work in it and how they treat each other. Especially dressage riders. I see so many people (usually over the age of 40) with self-important, toxic attitudes who feel entitled to treat people however they feel like, and that needs to change because they are pushing younger people [read here the future of the industry and the sport] away.

I’ve worked for trainers in a variety of capacities (stall cleaner, groom, working student, training assistant) as well as in tack shops, and let me tell you, employers get what they give. Oddly enough, the best employers I ever had were in New Jersey and I think the horse industry there will survive, because living is hard there for everyone. So farm owners and trainers understand that a lowly barn worker or working student really struggles. When they find a good worker, they really go above and beyond for that person. They were also tactful at keeping the clients who had mean streaks out of the barn most days, which I really appreciated. Outside of New Jersey is where I was treated really poorly. I was always told by whomever I worked for that I was a really hard and dependable worker, and they appreciate how I “do my work and don’t complain” and yet, I was usually doing the work of 3 people by myself and eating exclusively peanut butter and jelly sandwiches because that’s all I could afford. I was also treated like dirt by 75% of the clients of the trainers that I worked for, and that’s not okay. I had one lady that made me especially uncomfortable in they way she spoke to me and belittled me, and I said something to the trainer I was working for because I thought he was one of the good ones, and that he truly cared about me. His response was, “She is one of my highest paying clients, and you cost me money. You’re right, but you aren’t worth me saying anything.” So I left the next day and I still worry about going to horse shows because I don’t want to see his old clients. They wouldn’t likely recognize me if I’m not covered in manure, but it would be enough to rattle me. Good “employees” in the horse industry will move along to a better situation because they understand their own value. If anything about “good help” has changed, its that people are learning that they have the right to choose how they are treated, and that is a good thing. So now, if you don’t step up as an employer, that’s on you. Not Millennials, or Gen Z.

Workers from the racetrack are excellent. I’ve met many phenomenal sport horse grooms who got their start at the track. I’ve also seen some go back to the track, because they didn’t feel as valued by sport horse owners and trainers as they did by racehorse trainers and owners. That should wake up barn owners and managers.

And it’s not just towards workers- we need to watch the way we treat each other. I just saw on Facebook that a USEF R judge went on social media and was publicly shaming an AA’s riding abilities. It’s that kind of thing that is killing dressage, because no one wants to deal with that. We ride because we love it, and we love horses, but who would chose dressage as their discipline if bullying is happening so rampantly?

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What? Young people don’t want to do manual labor for 12 hours a day making minimum wage (or often less) in an industry that has almost zero chance of upward mobility? I’m baffled.

Yeah sorry, not taking the “kids don’t work these days” argument when trainers repeatedly treat their help like garbage. See the grooms quarters at this year’s WEG.

In other countries being a professional groom isn’t unheard of, but I’m hearing that is changing as well.

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