Is it time? Perspectives Appreciated

Yes, another of these threads, unfortunately. I am grappling with this decision and would love some outside perspective.

25 Year old Appaloosa gelding, who I have had for 20 years. Retired at 9 (advanced hock arthritis) and has been living the good life since then, hanging out, giving occasional pony rides to children and old folks, the usual.

In 2018 he started to have Sidewinder type episodes - we did all the testing you can think of short of spinal taps - I work for a vet so no expense spared. EPM negative, no real neuro deficits - though when he has had the episodes he does go on anti-EPM meds and high dose Vitamin E. The episodes would last a few weeks and happened maybe 1-2 times per year. He was his usual self otherwise - sassy, loving eating, appreciating grooming, etc etc, just walking sideways and reluctant to weight bear on one of his hind legs leading to a very pronounced lean (things swapped back and forth as far as which way he was leaning) that he’d ease by leaning on walls when things were at their worst. The episodes would subside within a couple of weeks and he’d have months of normal life with no deficits.

Fast forward to this year, when he started up with an episode in mid-January. We did the usual EPM meds and vitamin E just in case, and added acupuncture to the regimen to give him some relief. Initially the symptoms went away in their usual time frame, but they have come back and been relatively constant now since then. To this point neuro exams have been unremarkable - he knows where his feet are, and he is still lying down nightly and getting up again ok in the mornings. He’s been ok for the farrier up to this point, but at the last trim (2-3 weeks ago) he violently opposed to having his LH raised and manipulated. Farrier is excellent, competent, and patient. We put him on daily Gabapentin to see if we could ease some of the obvious pain he’s been in, and while it seemed to work a bit at the beginning, it hasn’t been a magic bullet.

In the last week, things have progressed. The lean is incredibly pronounced and he’s not as confident in walking around, making me worry about one of the legs giving out or him falling and breaking something. I think the hardest thing is that his demeanour has deteriorated - he has been depressed and agitated at times, but ok at others. He’s become a bit headshy at times as well, which is not normal for him. Thankfully he’s eating normally.

I have the vet coming out today to assess, but I am worried we are nearing the end. I am not someone who keeps animals alive for my sake - if it’s time, it’s time. I’m just riddled with guilt and anxiety about whether the decision to euthanize is a selfish one, because I can’t stand to see him suffer and my absolute greatest fear is him getting into an emergency down situation, not being able to get up, and suffering until he can get help. As silly as it may sound, I’m also vegan and being responsible for the death of an animal is weighing heavily on me - moreso from a “is it the right time?” perspective than anything else.

I guess I’m looking for a bit of support and perspective here. On the investigative/medical side I’m confident we’ve done all we can - Sidewinder is an elusive symptom of a myriad of diagnoses and we’ve looked into every one save going the biopsy/spinal tap route. We are pretty confident there’s some deterioration/pain going on in the lumbar spine/pelvis that is causing him to load one leg much more than the other. We are lucky to have a vet hospital within a 30 minute drive but I’m not comfortable with the idea of him getting on a trailer in his current unbalanced state and I don’t want to give him added stress right now being in a new place with new people (he’s always been a bit of a delicate flower when it comes to vet work).

Thank you for reading and for your thoughts :slight_smile:

Better a day too soon.

He’s older, he lived the good life. I would give him a day to graze and have all the treats he wants. It’s normal to feel guilt and stress, even though you’re doing the right thing. Holding on too long and ending up in an emergency situation will haunt you far more.

Hugs, it’s never easy.

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I agree. Putting him down in his familiar surroundings, without added pain and stress, is your best option, and I think I might have done it sooner. I’m not in your current situation, but I am a firm believer in better too soon than too late.

The guilt and stress are happening for you because you love him, because you’ve done your best for him. It’s the price we pay for having them at all, but GT is right, it’s never easy. Give him the very best end you can manage, then you won’t feel haunted.

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Please don’t beat yourself up.
Do what’s best for your horse - he sounds like a good soul, dealing with an issue that isn’t going to get better.
Youve gone the Extra Mile & then some for him.
If we could just explain to them that we’re doing everything we can think of, but things are not getting better… But, OTOH, remember horses don’t know Future, just Now.
And when their Now is becoming uncomfortable, it is a gift we can give to let them go peacefully.
I’ve been through both - planned euth & emergency - both hurt, but it was less agonizing for me when I had the chance to decide for them without being in panic mode.

Wishing you peace
& do come back here to share with those who have BTDT

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You own words show that you know what to do. You know he’s got pain and likely confusion. Yes it’s very, very hard to euthanize a horse or any animal we love. But we can give them this gift: a rapid, gentle death rather than drawn out pain and suffering. There are always some people who will tell you to up the pain meds, do this or that, etc. You know your horse best, and you know that despite everything you’ve tried, his quality of life has diminished. Be brave, strong and love him to the end and beyond. (And I agree with you: don’t do a spinal tap. It’s not going to change anything and it will be difficult for him.)

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Methinks you already know.

With that lean, he can’t defend himself should a predator enter. (I had that exact scenario with my late OTTB gelding when 2 feral dogs attacked him in his pasture.)

Show yourself some grace …then let him have a day of every yummy to eat before a gentle passing.

((( Hugs )))

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Perfectly said.

I would have the vet come as you have scheduled, but not to reassess. It’s been done. The visit would be to give him the easy ticket out.

It is very, very hard to say goodbye to a horse that has shown some enjoyment of life in the somewhat recent past. But that is what I want to do. I want them to go without knowing much discomfort.

What I don’t want is for a horse to have to become more and more miserable before I call the game. And I also don’t want to drag it out emotionally for myself, worrying over the decision every day.

As the others have said, he can have one of the best days of his life the day before and the day of. That’s what I did for my last horse. Fortunately for horses that is fairly easy. Me just sitting in the grass watching them graze is to enjoy what is a great day for my horse.

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I just put down my horse in December. He was 21 and had arthritis in his hocks and fetlocks. No matter how much food, hay, and grass he was on he had a hard time keeping weight in the winter. I didn’t want to put him through another winter.

He stopped being able to roll or lay down which was the final straw. He would still rip around the pasture with his friend but he just was stiff and he didn’t recover well. He had taken me around my first FEI events and I owed him everything. He owed me nothing. He had been retired at 15 after he stopped on XC twice. He never stopped. We did a full workup and the vet cleared him but I just knew it was time to stop. He hacked around for a few months and he didnt enjoy it so he went out and just lived out. He wouldnt let me catch him sometimes. He liked being retired. I fed him treats and loved on him when he allowed it. He was my world and I adored him, loved him, and promised to always do right by him.

So when it was time, I did the right thing. I wouldn’t let him suffer. I wouldn’t let him go through another winter. I did it early. I called my vet and asked her if I was doing the right thing. I asked my trainer and good friend what she would do and if I was wrong in my choice.

I sobbed into his neck and he tolerated it, which he never did. I begged him to forgive me for my choice. I gave him a bath and I grazed him for hours feeding him stud muffins, which were his favorite treat.

I have his tail and his halter sitting in my drawer. I felt at ease with my choice. I made the right decision. He will always have a place in my life and he was there with me for so many things, my rock and my comfort. My best friend. I never regret doing it one day, week, month, year or whatever time it may have been because I know that at least I was not a minute to late and he never had to suffer. He was never in pain because I wanted another moment with him.

You have given him a good life and you have done right by him. This is the final step of doing right by him. Im sorry you have to go through this but you’re making the right choice.

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Thank you so much to all for your support and input. I know the answer is cut and dried and easy to see from the outside (I would definitely give the same advice if I were replying to a similar question that didn’t involve my own horse!), but it’s a rough one from the other side.

The vet was out earlier and she understands all my concerns, and does not think euthanasia is too radical of a decision at this point. He isn’t in crisis currently so there is no particular urgency, she said “we know he’s not going to get better, it’s a matter of when all of our band-aids stop keeping him at a reasonable comfort level”. So, in the next few weeks (we are in southern Canada and Spring is taking its very sweet time arriving…) we will pick a day with more of a guarantee of nice weather, and give him a beautiful grass and love-filled last day. If he goes downhill more quickly, we will move things up.

@FLeventer your reply hits home - while we weren’t anywhere near FEI we did event in his brief show career, and while he wasn’t the bravest soul he always tried and never stopped on XC. If I asked, he went, no questions asked, and we was always such a good boy at the show grounds. I know he doesn’t owe me a thing and I am realizing that I have done my part in giving him an easy, wonderful life for the last 16 years - which has always been my promise to him - and it is easing my heart a little bit.

Thank you again for all the kindness and support, everyone. I appreciate it so very much.

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Yep. It is always easier to tell SOMEONE ELSE that it is time than coming to that realization yourself when you know and love the animal. I am struggling with this right now with a chronic laminitic Cushings pony that is in a bad spell and doesn’t seem to get better. It is just dam hard.

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it IS hard, just so hard. I hear in your posts the anguish, because you love and respect the old man. He’s been with you for 20 years!

Give yourself a hug and a break and take a deep breath. It’s time. Shower him with whatever gives him joy…even if that’s just nibbling hay in the shade and quiet time. It’s ok and honorable to give him a quiet, safe, exit.

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He is no longer responding to what once worked to help him. It is starting to affect his attitude and while not on a daily basis that is new as well.

I know that as long as they are eating we feel like their life is worth trying to save but in all honesty his body is telling you otherwise.

I would rather remember my horses eating and up on their own 4 legs when they have their last day over being down and suffering. If that is selfish, then so be it. They can’t tell us but I think they would rather go when things are going better too.

It is always hard and I wish you well in making your decision. You have done so much for him already I think you know what the right thing for him is . It is just hard letting go sometimes when they have been such a big part of our lives for that long.

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I had a horse that developed a similar lean behind in her older years. Negative for EPM. Ultimately presumed there was a tumor pressing on her spinal column. Responded to high dose steroids within 1-3 days each time, and returned to 90%. Every time we said that if she didn’t respond to the steroids by day 3, we’d let her go.

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I think you probably know that he already is given his change in attitude/behaviour. Better a day too soon than an hour too late.

Peace and strength to you. No matter how right it is, it is always horribly difficult.

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((Hugs))

Lucky are the horses who are owned by good people who make the tough decisions on their behalf. Your gelding is one of those lucky horses.

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