I don’t remember where the link was, but she looked good. Leaning a bit much back maybe, but no flapping arms. really, you had to know she was a para to see it.
PP deserves credit to make it easier for her to train and compete, but not for her being where she is now with her riding, although they seem to take credit for that in their releases.
yea, but it’s all there-on the inet, for all to see the truth, if they so desire to.:winkgrin:
One year after the accident, Barwick shifted her dreams away from stunt riding, and quickly refocused on Para-Equestrian sport with the help of Coach Sandra Verda.
http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Verda_Sandra_389428778.aspx
Sandra Verda of Langley, BC, who has been Barwick’s dressage coach of 4 years acted as the National Coach and Chef d’Equipe for Canada at the Championships.“It was definitely a challenging 2 weeks with only 6 days of training on our borrowed horse and extremely hot temperatures,” noted Verda, “Lauren coped well and rose to the occasion producing some very respectable scores against tough competition.”
With the help of her coach Sandra Verda, of Fit To Ride, who specializes in competition training for riders with disabilities, the duo has done very well.
http://www.reachdisability.org/feature/050210_so_far_and_so_close.html
She had come so far, and in just three and a half years, made it to the 2004 Paralympics as Canada’s Grade II rider. Were it not for difficulty executing a perfect ‘halt’ during competition (bringing the horse to a complete stop on command), she would be on the podium wearing precious metal. An Athens medal was that close for Lauren Barwick, 27, of Aldergrove, B.C., and her mount “Dior”.
Barwick left Athens maintaining her rank as one of the world’s top ten athletes in her sport.
You guys, as much as I generally have no use for the PPPuppets, it’s a bit disingenuous to castigate them for showing after endless posts that criticize them for not riding or doing anything competition-related with their horses.
Yes, the PR machine is making it sound as though they swept Welly World, and I doubt that’s the case,but at least they went out in public.
We had a pair of Parelli-ites at our barn for a while. Their stalls were in a small old outbuilding on the farm’s property – a very nice set-up. Only problem was, one of their horses was a full Belgian who had trouble with the low rafters in this building. I mentioned that to the guy when I saw him attempting to lead the Belgian to his stall – the horse was reluctant but basically cooperative.
I was told in no uncertain terms that I was wrong about the source of the horse’s reluctance! You see, from disuse there was a cat pee odor in the barn. And his horse was mistaking it for a mountain lion! THAT is why he didn’t want to go in.
Hated to tell him that horses would be in real jeopardy if they couldn’t distinguish house cat from cougar… either a quivering mass of fear, or someone’s dinner on Day 1, depending on which way the confusion went!
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You guys, as much as I generally have no use for the PPPuppets, it’s a bit disingenuous to castigate them for showing after endless posts that criticize them for not riding or doing anything competition-related with their horses.
Yes, the PR machine is making it sound as though they swept Welly World, and I doubt that’s the case,but at least they went out in public.[/QUOTE]
True, they do ride some and now even have a dressage team, it seems.
Now, how to you explain a Parelli dressage team, after the many years we had to sit there and listen to them bash dressage?
Someone said that they decided to get into dressage when they found W Zettl and before didn’t like dressage because it was so bad.
They sure defend bad horse handling when a parellite does it as being the person’ fault, that is not following their teachings properly.
Well, didn’t they realize before that bad riding is bad riding, no matter what discipline?
You think they should have known that there is bad AND good dressage long before now.
Anyway, I guess we ought to be glad that they quit bashing dressage and even want to learn and compete in it now.
how to you explain a Parelli dressage team, after the many years we had to sit there and listen to them bash dressage?
That’s easy–like the movie said, “Follow the money.”
The CorporateMonster needed fresh meat.
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A horse knows the difference between an adult human, child, horse, foal, cow, goat, deer, mountain lion, dog, llama, emu etc. A horse also is smart enough to act in a different way to each type. I think a horse knows the difference between a cougar on its back and a human and also a human at the end of a lead rope and a horse nearby.
Snip, snip.
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But quite often, being a prey animal , the horse first wants to to put ~ 1/2 mile between itself and what may or may not be a possible threat.
Unless it is well trained and well led.
Anyway, I guess we ought to be glad that they quit bashing dressage and even want to learn and compete in it now.
Yes, more competition to beat!:lol:
They sure defend bad horse handling when a parellite does it as being the person’ fault, that is not following their teachings properly.
Well, didn’t they realize before that bad riding is bad riding, no matter what discipline?
You think they should have known that there is bad AND good dressage long before now.
you’d think so wouldn’t you :yes:
She stated that she didnt’ want to show anymore:
I don’t know if I’m going to compete again. First of all, I lost the will to compete against other people and horses, and self- competition became more compelling to me. I wanted to see how good I could get and I choose to make my horse and my trainer my judges. So going into competition, you’re up against fad and fashion, you’re up against a lot of opinions that don’t necessarily line up with my ideas. The things that often get rewarded in dressage these days, we’re trying to get them out of horses. All that tension–a lot of that we do quite differently and we ask, “What’s the ideal in a horse?” In the end, the goal is the same. We want to look great with lightness, exuberance and being able to do high level maneuvers, have absolute harmony and make it look invisible, but we don’t want to do it with a horse that’s emotionally frazzled because of it.
Why aren’t more dressage riders taking up PNH? You’d have to ask them but I think I can make a pretty good guess. I think it’s because in dressage, people get so obsessed with frame, the outline of the horse, how he’s travelling, where his haunches should be, where his poll should be and all that kind of thing, which I’d call high level deportment. It’s how you carry yourself in such a way that you’re like a ballet dancer,- Well, because people get obsessed with the physical outline of the horse, we end up using all these gadgets on two and three year olds. To tie their heads down, lunge them in chambones and try to get their backs rounded so their hind legs come up underneath them, but when horses are forced and not emotionally involved, they have a lot of trouble with that. A lot of horses blow up. I don’t like that physical force.[B][COLOR=“Red”]:I don’t know if I’m going to compete again. First of all, I lost the will to compete against other people and horses, and self- competition became more compelling to me. I wanted to see how good I could get and I choose to make my horse and my trainer my judges. So going into competition, you’re up against fad and fashion, you’re up against a lot of opinions that don’t necessarily line up with my ideas. The things that often get rewarded in dressage these days, we’re trying to get them out of horses. All that tension–a lot of that we do quite differently and we ask, “What’s the ideal in a horse?” In the end, the goal is the same. We want to look great with lightness, exuberance and being able to do high level maneuvers, have absolute harmony and make it look invisible, but we don’t want to do it with a horse that’s emotionally frazzled because of it.
Why aren’t more dressage riders taking up PNH? You’d have to ask them but I think I can make a pretty good guess. I think it’s because in dressage, people get so obsessed with frame, the outline of the horse, how he’s travelling, where his haunches should be, where his poll should be and all that kind of thing, which I’d call high level deportment. It’s how you carry yourself in such a way that you’re like a ballet dancer,- Well, because people get obsessed with the physical outline of the horse, we end up using all these gadgets on two and three year olds. To tie their heads down, lunge them in chambones and try to get their backs rounded so their hind legs come up underneath them, but when horses are forced and not emotionally involved, they have a lot of trouble with that. A lot of horses blow up. I don’t like that physical force.
We don’t like that physical force either Linda! :no:
JUST thought I’d share her thoughts on showing
Well, that was my point, if there were some ‘real world’ benchmark that any Parelli disciple had gone and beat the pants off someone, pick a discipline, any discipline, their training methods might have a bit of credibility. As it is- bolstered by the long quote from Linda P just above- it’s merely a combination lovefest/revenue stream.
Heck, I can compete against myself any ol’ time and give myself the blue ribbon. But if I want to improve my riding and horsemanship, I need to see what a judge thinks now and then, or go get yelled at by a competent instructor, at least. Actually, I like Linda have pretty much outgrown my need to compete, I trail ride and fox hunt mostly, though now and then it’s satisfying to go to say a team penning and do well, or the neighborhood competitive trail ride I’ve been lucky enough to win the last two years. Last time I evented was 1997 and I won at novice level on a horse that had never evented before. Prior to that I hadn’t evented since the 70s so now I’ve decided my key to success there is one event every 20 years!
But I’m not aware that either Linda or Pat every actually had any ‘real world’ show success. Nor any student or horse trained from scratch by them.
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But I’m not aware that either Linda or Pat every actually had any ‘real world’ show success. Nor any student or horse trained from scratch by them.[/QUOTE]
IIRC PP rode a mule to a reserve championship in the late '70s or early '80s. To the best of my knowledge that’s the extent of his “show record.”
G.
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But quite often, being a prey animal , the horse first wants to to put ~ 1/2 mile between itself and what may or may not be a possible threat.
Unless it is well trained and well led.[/QUOTE]
Depend’s on the horse. Ever seen a horse in pasture go after a dog , catch it and toss it in the mid air-even though the dog was not even near? Each horse is different and the method you use, has to take that into account-as well as you as a person, temperament , skill etc.
Where I board, you have everything from mule deer, bob cats, mountain lions etc. I was just standing in pasture one day, enjoying the sunset and horses eating and my horse looked up, as did the others. There in the distance was a bob cat scrambling by. None of the horses did anything. Same with deer . If a prey animal runs everytime it sees anything, it will pretty soon be exhausted and be an easy catch for a predator.
Also I have known a few horses that were extremely horse aggressive and yet were a doll for humans. Unless you turn them out, you never know. But you could put a beginner on them and they are just fine. It really depends on the horse.
Linda: the more you talk the less, we are certain, that you know.
For the record: the dumb tw*t never seriously competed.
Her “retiring” from competing is like me saying I no longer want to be an astronaut. Never happened, never will.
They are the worst form of mediocre, their “top level” instructors are uniformly a joke.
The PP “team” competed in “opportunity” classes only. These classes do not require membership in USEF or USDF. I believe they just about had those classes to themselves.
Oh, and the Para rider was, I believe, the only one in her division. She already has accomplishments in the Para world. Doubt the PP’s have anything to do with her success.
LOL- that’s nicely put.
I was thinking the same thing, “I don’t know if I am going to compete anymore…”
yeah, because you were never any good anyway. The only reason anyone even knows her name is because she jumped on the coattails of her hubby.
Coat tail? 
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Coat tail? :D[/QUOTE]
Mustache tips?
G.
This was Conny to a T. LOVED people, hated pretty much every other horse that walked the planet. There were a few he tolerated, and only one that he actually liked. If people have different personalities, why is it so hard to believe that horses do too? They’re not cookie-cutter, two-dimensional beings, which is why the one-size-fits-all method of training doesn’t work.
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Hated to tell him that horses would be in real jeopardy if they couldn’t distinguish house cat from cougar…[/QUOTE]
Real leopardy? :lol:
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Coat tail? :D[/QUOTE]
I’m not sure why you quoted me…it’s an idiom, “to ride on someone’s coattail”
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4.on someone’s coattails, aided by association with another person: The senator rode into office on the President’s coattails.
5.on the coattails of, immediately after or as a result of: His decline in popularity followed on the coattails of the scandal.
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I am not sure, but I think the coattail comment was made as an oblique reference to another part of anatomy/person.
