iso: Equicore Equiband system

This product has been recommended and I have read the website extensively, as well as the few “independent” reviews I have been able to find online. http://equicoreconcepts.com/concept.html

I’d like to hear from any of of you that have used this for rehab (or just for building muscle/topline perhaps).

I’d also be interested in purchasing used if any of you have this system and are no longer using it.

(FWIW, I have used polo wraps in a similar fashion but have been told the thera-bands will provide better resistance. I am also working horse over cavaletti and doing some light hill work. So these would just be an additional rehab tool used 2-3xweek.)

I have the Equiband system and I absolutely love it. I don’t know if I buy that you couldn’t do the same thing as strategically placed polo wraps or therapy bands that you can get much cheaper, but I will say that it is much easier to just clip the bands onto the saddle pad that comes with the system.

I use it on my 4yo young jumper (primarily on the lunge) and my 7yo older-young-jumper (primarily under saddle) and I’ve seen positive results with both.

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I have the Equiband system and I absolutely love it. I don’t know if I buy that you couldn’t do the same thing as strategically placed polo wraps or therapy bands that you can get much cheaper, but I will say that it is much easier to just clip the bands onto the saddle pad that comes with the system.

I use it on my 4yo young jumper (primarily on the lunge) and my 7yo older-young-jumper (primarily under saddle) and I’ve seen positive results with both.[/QUOTE]

Hi PNWjumper :slight_smile:

Dr. Buchholz from Revenaugh’s office just recommended this set up for my gelding… You wouldn’t happen to have an extra set of the bands that you might want to part with? She said it would be pretty easy to make the set up myself, but the bands induce more muscle lift due to the fact they grab the hair a bit.

I don’t have extra bands - just the 2 pair that came with the system (1 pair gets used on my mares and the other goes on my gelding). And it wouldn’t do you much good because they have big buckle things on each end that connect to the saddle pad that comes with the system. But I think that you could do a very similar thing with resistance bands like these:

http://www.amazon.com/Rated-Resistance-Loop-Bands-Strengthening/dp/B00J6EIKF8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1411432033&sr=8-3&keywords=therapy+resistance+bands

I’d be happy to measure the bands I have so you could check length, and depending on where you are, you’re welcome to swing by to see how stretchy mine are. I would think that as long as you could find a long enough band you could tie each end of the one that goes around the butt to your girth and the one that goes under the stomach to the stirrup keepers.

On a side note, I love the system, but I absolutely hate the saddle pad that comes with it. I have both sizes and they’re so awful to ride in (super stiff and feel like a dressage-shaped pad where they leave a ton of pad sticking out below the saddle under my leg), so I’ve thought about doing the same thing myself. Or maybe buying the clip things to attach to a saddle pad that I like to see if that would work. The company has been awesome to work with, and when I complained about the large-sized saddle pad they promptly sent me the smaller pad. I need to reach out to them again, because I think the system is terrific and worth the dollars, but would be a lot happier with a pad I didn’t hate riding in!

Following. Seems neat.

That belly band slipped back there looks almost like a rodeo horse bucking strap.
If it was a western back cinch, it would have a keeper to the front cinch, so it didn’t slip quite so far back.

The back band looks like a driving harness breeching strap, but is also slipping down.

I would be sure any horse was well used to those on the longe line before trying to ride with them on there.

I am not sure those bands do what those that sell them think they do, but they should at least desensitize your horse to being touched there.

[QUOTE=PNWjumper;7772613]
I don’t have extra bands - just the 2 pair that came with the system (1 pair gets used on my mares and the other goes on my gelding). And it wouldn’t do you much good because they have big buckle things on each end that connect to the saddle pad that comes with the system. But I think that you could do a very similar thing with resistance bands like these:

http://www.amazon.com/Rated-Resistance-Loop-Bands-Strengthening/dp/B00J6EIKF8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1411432033&sr=8-3&keywords=therapy+resistance+bands

I’d be happy to measure the bands I have so you could check length, and depending on where you are, you’re welcome to swing by to see how stretchy mine are. I would think that as long as you could find a long enough band you could tie each end of the one that goes around the butt to your girth and the one that goes under the stomach to the stirrup keepers.

On a side note, I love the system, but I absolutely hate the saddle pad that comes with it. I have both sizes and they’re so awful to ride in (super stiff and feel like a dressage-shaped pad where they leave a ton of pad sticking out below the saddle under my leg), so I’ve thought about doing the same thing myself. Or maybe buying the clip things to attach to a saddle pad that I like to see if that would work. The company has been awesome to work with, and when I complained about the large-sized saddle pad they promptly sent me the smaller pad. I need to reach out to them again, because I think the system is terrific and worth the dollars, but would be a lot happier with a pad I didn’t hate riding in![/QUOTE]

I would love it if you could measure them for me!!! Rachel said she thinks it would be pretty easy to make, as I can get those types of clips and the thera-bands. She said that the equibands tend to grab the hair to encourage lift and a little tactile feel. I have some old bands that I am going to try today and see it they work. If worse come to worse, the extra bands are only $50 on their website. I will probably just buy a pair and cut off the clips. I hate spending $250 for a saddle pad and rubber bands! Especially now that I know the pad isn’t so good… I might as well buy a back on track pad and add the clips myself!

Thanks so much!!! I am excited to try this, as I am dealing with minor kissing spine and a bruised 3rd trochanter. Walking rehab for the next 3 months :frowning:

The pad is almost identical to my Back on Track pad…which I also dislike because it’s so big (long). So I would imagine that you could sew some buckles on that and have almost the exact setup with the bonus of the BOT effect.

Bluey - the idea is that the stimulation (and even just the feel of something loose) around the haunches helps the horse use themselves differently by really stepping up underneath themselves (same idea in a Pessoa lunging rig). I was skeptical at first, but saw a pretty big difference in my now-7yo when I started using it on him. He used his hind end oddly…he would pick up his back through his ribcage but them almost break in the SI area so he could travel extremely flat-ly with his hind feet. I credit the Equiband system with teaching him to carry himself correctly and allowing him to build up the muscles to do it without the system as well. He looks like a different horse now than he did a year or so ago. The stomach strap stretches and stays a bit more snugly, and I think that it wouldn’t work with a polo wrap like the hind strap would.

I also thought it really helped my young mare. It really helped her build some muscle on her topline and strengthen her weaker stifle (from a minor accident a year or so prior) without me having to be in the tack, and that was a big advantage since she was just 3 and barely under saddle when I started using it.

And surprisingly, I haven’t had a horse react poorly to either of the straps, nor the loose ends that flap around the buckles. I’ve used it on all 4 of my horses, 2 of whom are kind of wing nuts about things touching them oddly, and nuthin’. No spooking, stress, or even sideways glances.

I do think it’s a lot of money to pay for something you can rig up yourself, but the ease of using the system and the benefits I’ve seen have made it well worth the purchase price.

Thanks for the info, PNWj! I really appreciate it. My gelding sounds like yours… He has a hard time engaging through the lower lumbar/SI. It is nice to know it worked for someone else.

kbrethauer, I wondered if you’ve had any luck rigging up your system?

I would like to use something like a Pessoa system to develop my horse’s hind quarters, but a Pessoa system would put his nose down to his ankles. This seems much more appropriate for a horse who tends to lean forward to much already.

Any thoughts?

ETA: A couple of links for anyone following along:

Linda Tellington Jones Body Wrap

Balance Bands

Prosix

Here’s a homemade system that looks totally simple.
[URL=“http://horsehugger.net/?page_id=40”]
Horse Hugger

My daughter is riding a horse who uses the Equiband system as he’s recovering from a muscle injury. It really seems to help ‘remind’ him to use his hind end. I have been so impressed that I am going to order this for a rehabbing OTTB I have. I’ve used polos in the past but the clip on bands are really handy!

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kbrethauer, I wondered if you’ve had any luck rigging up your system?

I would like to use something like a Pessoa system to develop my horse’s hind quarters, but a Pessoa system would put his nose down to his ankles. This seems much more appropriate for a horse who tends to lean forward to much already.

Any thoughts?

ETA: A couple of links for anyone following along:

Linda Tellington Jones Body Wrap

Balance Bands

Prosix

Here’s a homemade system that looks totally simple.
[URL=“http://horsehugger.net/?page_id=40”]
Horse Hugger[/QUOTE]

Hi Cindyg!

I rigged two different thera-bands to a saddle pad and have been using them. I am not sure they are really working correctly, as I don’t think they pinch/grab the hair like the equiband does. I think I am going to order the bands ($50 on website) and then make my own system. They seem to sort of work, as he knows they are there, but it is hard to tell if they are actually doing what they should. I am only handwalking/longlining right now, will be doing that rehab until the end of the December. I’ll let you know how the equibands go…

Have you all put the bands on at the tightness suggested? I started using this, but I had to put it on much looser to get my horse used to it. Wondering if most people do put it on the recommended tightness?

[QUOTE=kbrethauer;7806236]
They seem to sort of work, as he knows they are there, but it is hard to tell if they are actually doing what they should. I am only handwalking/longlining right now, will be doing that rehab until the end of the December. I’ll let you know how the equibands go…[/QUOTE]

My bands don’t pinch skin or hair, nor do they really grab on (especially after being sweated in the first few times). From what I’ve read it sounds like it’s simply enough for the horse to feel the sensation of the slight amount of tension to remind them to use the muscles.

Right On Target - I do use mine at the recommended tightness. None of the 4 I’ve used them on have cared at all, and while I expected that with 2 of them I thought the other 2 might be a bit squirrely about it.

[QUOTE=PNWjumper;7807204]
My bands don’t pinch skin or hair, nor do they really grab on (especially after being sweated in the first few times). From what I’ve read it sounds like it’s simply enough for the horse to feel the sensation of the slight amount of tension to remind them to use the muscles.

Right On Target - I do use mine at the recommended tightness. None of the 4 I’ve used them on have cared at all, and while I expected that with 2 of them I thought the other 2 might be a bit squirrely about it.[/QUOTE]

Good to know… Maybe the thera band system I have rigged up works then. Do you visually notice a difference in their backs when you use the belly band? Rachel B. at Dr. Revenaugh’s said that the idea behind the belly band was to stimulate/grab the hair to get a tactile reaction causing the horse to engage their abdominal muscles. Do your bands feel exactly like thera bands or are they thicker?

Since I am just hand walking, my rig set up is a pad on backwards with the bands tied to the billet straps. It looks exactly like the equiband system, just tied instead of using clips.

Just wanted to update that I bit the bullet and purchased the Equiband system. It should arrive soon… I am excited to see how it works on my gelding!

Any update on this thread? I have a horse that is in need of building his topline/hindend and this sounds interesting. Looks easier than the Pessoa system.

I’m so happy I saw this thread. A while ago I saw a picture of a horse for sale locally and I drove my horse friends crazy asking, “WTF is that stuff hooked onto the saddle pad and what’s it for?”

Now I know. :lol:

I know I’m waaay late to this thread, but I was at a clinic last weekend with Narelle Stubbs who invented the Equiband system (along with a vet at Michigan State) so I thought I could add some helpful info from what I saw/from pestering her with questions for two days :lol:

I forgot the exact development timeline, but it came about from work she was doing at MSU while doing her PhD in equine back pain and working with the vet college after that. Basically the whole system is meant to be split into three components; first myofascial release to help relax stiff/tight muscles, then a program of carrot stretches to help build flexibility and start engaging and lifting the back/core/shoulders/base of neck (I feel after watching her do some horses this is really the most important part), and the third component is the bands.

Obviously the vast majority of us are not trained to do that kind of massage ourselves, but she said it’s still effective without the massage component, however you don’t see the results as quickly. It’s easier to stretch and strengthen a soft elastic muscle than a stiffer tighter muscle, but if you’re gentle, considerate, and persistent they’ll still get there in the end. The stretches and the bands essentially do the same thing, basically sit-ups for horses. The stretches help work the core and back while also working lateral flexibilty, the bands help engage the core and back while in motion.

Although I was quite skeptical I definitely saw a difference in the horses, especially under saddle with the bands. One of the (grand prix dressage, so not an unfit nag) horses lifted his back from the loins a soild inch and a half with just the hindquarter band on. The cantle came up so far it was pushing his rider into a pseudo two point! And when Narelle added the belly band the rest of his back and the base of his neck lifted right up to match his back half and she could sit normally again. Then he was stepping much deeper under himself while looking much softer and swinging through his back. He stayed relaxed the whole time, ears were forward and he didn’t show any signs he was uncomfortable or minded the bands. It was very impressive (she did do the full myofascial release massage and the stretches first though, I don’t know that an unmassaged/unstretched horse would have lifted so dramatically). The idea is that they feel the gentle pressure from the band and lift away from it, the same way you can sometimes get them to lift their back from scratching the belly.

It was also very tiring for him. I’ve seen this same horse happily churn out one tempis, piaffe, and passage and he was sweaty and breathing semi-hard after ~5 minutes on the lunge and another 5 with a rider. However she did emphasize that the whole point of the training system is to teach them to use their core and back muscles in a different way, that they have to be given time to adjust to it and strengthen those areas, and to be quite careful not to overdo it, especially in the beginning. As in do the stretches, then 10 minutes on the lunge in the bands, and then be done. Not done with the bands and then take them off and ride (because you want to train their muscles to work in this new way, so why would you then go right back to the old way), but done as in finshed for the day. Over several weeks work up to longer periods (on the lunge and then under saddle) and after 3-6 months (or however long it takes them to get strong) it goes from a training tool to a once a week or every other week maintenance tool.

The pad itself is quite thick and stiff, definitely a dressage pad. The bands are heavier duty than therabands, I was surprised actually when I held them at how hefty they felt (was expecting something more theraband-y). They’re kind of like the heavier pull up helping bands for crossfit. She did say they used therabands when they were developing it, but they kept rolling instead of sitting flat and that they pulled hair sometimes. I would suggest if you wanted a different type/style pad (the back on track someone mentioned sounds like a good choice to me), order just the spare equibands, buy some clips (they were ~3 inch wide plastic clips) and webbing (should be able to get both at your local fabric store) and sew (or have someone else sew if you don’t) the clips on the pad in the same configuration.

Since she’s the physio for the Australian team she’d just come from the World Cup in Vegas and we had a really interesting chat about the maintenance needs of the top competition horses. The answer was basically quite a lot, for all of them, and that no horse performs at that level without wear and tear, which is why a lot of them are doing programs like this (in addition to loads of chiro, accupuncture, supplements etc). And nowdays even the young prospects are doing it (and a lot of the other things) before they’re even under saddle in an effort to help them stay sound and uninjured longer in the future. She also said that in a study they did at Michigan State they found that horses who presented with neck or back issues actually had subtle lameness in 80% of the cases. Basically there was some minor injury and they started using other parts of the body to compensate and then eventually get sore there. So a lot of the back tenderness would just keep recurring until the leg issue was sorted out and they got past the habit of trying to compensate for it. Annoyingly for the rest of us (and the vet staff) there was no correlation between the leg injury site and the area in the neck or back that was sore/stiff/tender (I asked). We also had a facinating discussion about the importance of strengthening the thoracic sling for both dressage movement (esp extended trot) and jumpers (shock dissipation on landing) PM me if you want all the details.

Anyway, I didn’t mean to write a novella for a post, but I did find the whole thing very interesting, and they had done several controlled trials and published papers on the exercises (I haven’t read the papers yet, it’s still on my painfully long to-do list ;)). I think it’s potentially a very beneficial program if done properly, especially in conjunction with chiro (it seems to me like a very natural follow-on to chiro) and external products like back on track and ice boots (because of the leg injury thing). As in keep the legs happy with cryo > use the BoT stuff/chiro to keep those muscles relaxed > use the equibands to strengthen the core so they carry themselves better and reduce the wear in the legs…

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Button,

I am glad you wrote such a long reply. I am currently looking at this system and your post was very helpful! Thanks.!