ISO Nimmerdor Stallion to breed to

[h-jryder]

Hello all! I am in search of a jumping stallion that is bred on his sire and dam side to Nimmerdor. I have have been looking with not a whole lot of luck. I am open to other jumping lines, as long as Nimmerdor is prevalent especially on the dam’s side.
I would prefer a stallion with offspring on the ground already but am willing to look at an unproven stallion.

I have a solid bay Rainbow daughter out of a very well bred TB mare. She is an incredible mare, but also a very big mare with a lot of bone, so I’m looking to add lightness and scope to her.

I would love any suggestions and help in finding a good Nimmerdor bred stallion for her.

Thanks you!

[RyuEquestrian]

May I inquire as to why you are specifically looking for a stallion line-bred on Nimmerdor for her?

I only ask because Nimmerdor does not come to my mind to me when I think of improving a mare’s refinement or rideability, as they can be quite sensitive.

Farn, his sire was originally used with the hopes of improving the Dutch breed by producing high quality mares, which he did when bred to lighter type mares.

[h-jryder]

I want Nimmerdor for her because I have always been a fan of that stallion and the consistency of what he throws and what his offspring throws. My mare has incredible rideability but can be a bit on the dull side, so the fact that Nimmerdor throws sensitivity and lightness is one of my main reasons.

Additionally, if I were to look for a stallion with blood then in theory it should lighten her build.

[Stoney447]

I agree with Ryu that there are plenty of other places I would look first if I was trying to improve rideability rather than Nimmerdor…especially since you mention you are looking for a stallion line-bred to him.

However, if I was really set on a stallion with Nimmerdor lines and needed to refine and add rideability, I would probably strongly consider Novalis (Jus De Pomme/Ramiro/Nimmerdor). He is known to throw great temperaments with great rideability and is said to pass on his jumping ability as well. I met him this summer and liked him very much for a big mare that could use some blood.

http://www.dreamscapefarm.com/HorseDetail.aspx?ID=92

[h-jryder]

I do not need to improve rideability, as my mare has an incredible temperament, great gaits, and a huge will to please; I was looking for jumper lines that will add scope and sensitivity. I have looked at Novalis and while a great stallion, I want something a bit straighter in the knee. But thank you for the advice, I will keep all of that in mind while searching.

[Stoney447]

[QUOTE=h-jryder;7775193]
I do not need to improve rideability, as my mare has an incredible temperament, great gaits, and a huge will to please; I was looking for jumper lines that will add scope and sensitivity, but thank you for the advice I will look into Novalis a little more.[/QUOTE]

Sorry I didn’t really read the first post very carefully I guess and was responding to Ryu’s assertation.

Still, I think that Novalis may be an interesting thought to maintain the rideability and with a virtual whos-who of jumping in the pedigree is definitely a very good, albeit underused, stallion that we are lucky to have in the USA…so I am glad you are looking into him a little more

Another place to look for Nimmerdor lines would be at the Hyperion Stud…
They have Zilverstar VDL (Cardento/Libero H/Nimmerdor) as well as Victor E (Indoctro/Nimmerdor/Uppercut xx).

Good luck!

[mikali]

Well, I had good success using Wittinger VDL (Indoctro x Nimmerdor x Nabuur). Combined with my mare, he gave a lighter, modern appearance and added a strong canter with a tremendous amount of scope.

A popular, up-and-coming stallion in Holland is Dakar VDL (Cardento x Nimmerdor x Silbersee).

[omare]

Majestic Gaits has lots of that blood in her frozen line up --including some direct sons (if there is till frozen on them-Aram Weliington

(edited to add Goodtimes and Emilion (Wellington) – I seem to remember many good vibes shared about Goodtimes babies)

[tucktaway]

Other than Voltaire, does anyone in particular compliment Nimmerdor?

[RanchoAdobe]

I would second Victor E- I think he is under utilized in the states. I have the sister (v. Mermus R) of the dam of Victor E and she is lighter in type, sensitive and go

[Twiggy]

Novalis himself is a lovely stallion. However, there’s a lot of talk in his home province about the frequency with which his offspring have or develop stringhalt. Just something to be aware of when considering him.

I’ve been looking at Arezzo VDL and he has Nimmerdor on his dam’s side.

[RanchoAdobe]

Twiggy - if you use Arezzo will you report on semen quality? I have not heard of any pregnancies in N. America off the frozen and was told it is quite bad, but I am interested to hear of personal experiences to the contrary. He is a very interesting stallion.

[Twiggy]

Rancho - I definitely will! I’m having a difficult time finding much information on him, but will keep searching. In this thread there are varying reports on his semen quality: http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-350153.html. Luckily, we have a very gifted repro vet in our area, so hopefully with three doses all would go well. If you know any more about him feel free to fill me in!

[meghan1963]

Consul at Iron Spring Farm is a Nimmerdor son & is alive and doing well at the age of 30 yrs of age. He no longer breeds with cooled semen but he has super frozen available. I think he is one of the last living approved sons of Nimmerdor.

http://www.ironspringfarm.com/stallion-horse-detail/2012-10-21/consul

[Dreamscape_Farm]

I was directed to this thread by a breeder, I do not visit the COTH forums often.

Thank you for mentioning Novalis, he is a really nice stallion who we own and is currently leased to Solomon Farm in SD.
He has a proven show record, approved by almost all the major European Registries, as well as I can tell you at age 16.5 yrs old he had perfectly clean x-rays, for his Hanoverian approval, when evaluated by Rood and Riddle, and passed the vet check they require. With smaller foal crops he has quite a few offspring out eventing, as well as doing hunter/jumper

With regards to what Twiggy mentioned this is the first I have heard of this “talk”, and I am guessing they are referring to his home province as BC? or where he stood before.
I cannot tell from their post.
I know almost all of his local offspring, as well as several of the owners of his offspring bred before we owned him stay in touch.
This not something we have observed in his offspring, speaking from experience, I sold 2 young horses last year including 1 Novalis (the other a Banderas) as upper level prospects both of these youngsters underwent the most thorough vetting’s we have had done in a while (x-rays included back, neck etc…) and passed…

We are very happy with Novalis being in SD and having the opportunity to breed more, If anyone have any questions or would like more information please feel free to drop either Ann at Solomon Farms or myself a line. I am always happy to chat about our boys, we are always upfront and happy to help mare owners with their decisions, happy mare owners make us happy

There are a lot of lovely stallions out there good luck in your search

[_Tradewind]

The comment about stringhalt is surprising since, to my knowledge, no genetic component has been identified in stringhalt (and I have campaigned a horse with stringhalt for a number of years so I am pretty familiar with it).

True stringhalt is actually not very common; often a whole host of issues with different etiology, including stifle issues, are misdiagnosed as stringhalt.

As I understand it, early on in his breeding career (prior to being in Jennifer’s hands), Novalis seems to have been bred to a fair number of “lesser quality” mares (from which a number of his offspring are still performing successfully, so that says a lot about what he can bring to the table). I would hate to see a good stallion unfairly develop a reputation for passing on a potentially negative trait that is just as (or more) easily attributable to the mares’ genetics, especially if such rumours result from unrelated, misdiagnosed issues in a few offspring.

Novalis stood in this area for several years at Ashland Farm. I have seen several of his kids that have really impressed me and caused me to consider breeding to him in future. I have heard no such rumours about supposed stringhalt in his offspring.

I am a huge fan of Novalis: his performance record and durability speak for themselves and I think he is a hugely undervalued stallion.

[Twiggy]

My apologies, I wasn’t trying to be rude about Novalis (and yes, I’m referring to BC). Like I said, he’s very lovely stallion, beautiful type, clearly talented and I actually have seen some very nice babies by him.

My understanding of stringhalt is that it is still a bit of a mystery, even among veterinarians and, as Tradewind mentioned, it’s quite uncommon. Because it is relatively rare it makes sense that people would take note of any sort of frequency with which it pops up in his offspring. I know one horse personally (out of an incredible mare) with it (confirmed) and know of two others, through that owner, who have it. I’m certainly not saying Novalis is the cause of it, but people talk. And for transparency’s sake in breeding I’m not about to deny that he’s at least one common thread in those cases. I know it’s not always career ending, but it’s still a pain to deal with.

Really, it’s all a crap chute at the end of the day. I’m just saying to OP that it’s important to do your research so that you’re comfortable with your decision.

[RyuEquestrian]

[QUOTE=mikali;7775316]
Well, I had good success using Wittinger VDL (Indoctro x Nimmerdor x Nabuur). Combined with my mare, he gave a lighter, modern appearance and added a strong canter with a tremendous amount of scope.

A popular, up-and-coming stallion in Holland is Dakar VDL (Cardento x Nimmerdor x Silbersee).[/QUOTE]

I have to second Wittinger VDL after seeing Alison’s Finnigan jump! I think that the Indoctro x Nimmerdor cross has been quite successful and would give you what you are looking for with the Nimmerdor line, lightness in bodytype and more sensitivity.

[Foxtrot_s]

The thing is with threads on a BB is that we don’t know the posters, the sources, or how realistic the comments are, but we do know that once a horse has a label, it sticks.

Others will argue with this, and they have, saying that it is not all about praising a stallion and not mentioning his shortcomings - but we have to be sure of our facts before posting…ain’t it all true if it is in print or on the internet, don’t cha know, eh?

[nutmeg]

Take a look at VDL Emmerton and his son VDL Freeman. However if Wellington is still available (and viable), I have met several of his offspring that were very Nimmerdor-esque. The first two have Nimmerdor on both sides (so 3 shots with Freeman).