Jockey Club Gold Cup DQ

[findeight]

Just thought we could have an interesting discussion here. Not as clear cut as the Derby but, IMO, the right call…just be sure you look at all the views available.

It was a memorable duel either way.

Speaking of Eclipse implications, how about Mikinzie ( sp?) loosing to a very nice effort by the longest shot on the board? First out without blinkers and seemed to lose interest for some reason. Race commentators though he might have resented being shown the whip, there was some tail lashing…but if he needed urging to race the other colt? Interesting. Wonder what was said in the debriefing between MS and B.B.

[LaurieB]

This has been an odd racing year in so many ways. McKinzie is far from the only favorite to fall to a longshot recently in a big race. 30-1 shot Math Wizard did the same thing to Mr. Money a week ago in the PA Derby.

Code of Honor certainly seems to have a knack for improving his placement after a race is over. :lol:

Watching the replays, I saw a couple of bumps and some brushing but neither horse changed stride or seemed overly affected by it. It looked like typical race riding to me. Personally I’d have left Vino Rosso as the winner. But at least this time all parties handled the DQ with grace.

[Where_sMyWhite]

@LaurieB

Watching the replays, I saw a couple of bumps and some brushing but neither horse changed stride or seemed overly affected by it. It looked like typical race riding to me. Personally I’d have left Vino Rosso as the winner. But at least this time all parties handled the DQ with grace.

This was my thought when watching the race on TVG and they repeated showed both the pan and head-on views. Was there brushing, I thought so. But I also didn’t think that the brushing impacted Code of Honor, he didn’t seem to change his stride at all. Yeah, Vino Rosso did drift out.

As I was watching the track feed replays I was thinking no change and was surprised when Vino Rosso was taken down.

I think trecently has been full of higher prices finishing on the board a few times… Mongolian Groom in the Awesome Again, Math Wizard, Mirth in the Rodeo Drive S, seems like another that I’m forgetting.

I always love watching the grit and try of the TB as they battle down the stretch.

[dressagetraks]

Great race, great battle. I think probably the margin of loss played into the decision. VR definitely did come out (under left hand whip), but I think if he had won by a great margin than a tight nose, no change.

Yes, glad the connections handled it with grace.

I’ve liked Code of Honor since the spring. Thought then that his best days were well ahead of him. He looked like a greyhound in the Fountain of Youth. He’s up to maybe a gazelle, but I still think he’s not at 100% of his ability yet, though gaining. Hope they race him as a 4yo.

On a related topic, what do you think about 3yo Eclipse? I’d give Code an edge over Max at this point, but we’ll have to see what happens at the BC.

[LaurieB]

@dressagetraks

Great race, great battle. I think probably the margin of loss played into the decision. VR definitely did come out (under left hand whip), but I think if he had won by a great margin than a tight nose, no change.

Yes, glad the connections handled it with grace.

I’ve liked Code of Honor since the spring. Thought then that his best days were well ahead of him. He looked like a greyhound in the Fountain of Youth. He’s up to maybe a gazelle, but I still think he’s not at 100% of his ability yet, though gaining. Hope they race him as a 4yo.

On a related topic, what do you think about 3yo Eclipse? I’d give Code an edge over Max at this point, but we’ll have to see what happens at the BC.

At the moment I think Code of Honor has the edge. But there’s still plenty of racing to come. If by Max, you mean Maximum Security, right now I think he’s barely even in the conversation for the 3yo colt eclipse.

The way this crop of 3yo colts has divided up the spoils this year, I’d be surprised if any of any of them are creditably in the running for HOY.

[dressagetraks]

I think Bricks and Mortar will be HOY, or maybe Midnight Bisou if she wins at BC and he loses.

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[mommy_peanut]

Watch the race with Imperial Hint & Firenze Fire. There is a bit of brushing on the drive to the wire… photo finish, with no inquiry or change of status.

While I personally don’t think Vino should have come down, it is what it is…
I feel the stewards leave themselves open to much debate & criticism by not being consistent in any way shape or form, with the way they make their decisions.

[Where_sMyWhite]

@mommy peanut

I feel the stewards leave themselves open to much debate & criticism by not being consistent in any way shape or form, with the way they make their decisions.

To be fair, the same incident in different states may be ruled differently.

[mommy_peanut]

@Where'sMyWhite

To be fair, the same incident in different states may be ruled differently.

Both races were run at Belmont on the same day…

[Where_sMyWhite]

@mommy peanut

Both races were run at Belmont on the same day…

I didn’t watch the other race you were referring to. It’s always going to be a judgement call. I think if Vino Rosso’s jock hadn’t had the whip in his left hand, if Vino Rosso hadn’t drifted out and if Vino Rosso’s lead was larger than it ended up being, then no DQ.

[Palm_Beach]

That’s a lot of ifs.