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I thought it was better actually. They did replay the same breakdown over and over like last year and I too noticed the change in color of the horse. I liked that there was more racing and race related stuff than all the stupid interpersonal crap from last year. I don’t care how much closet space Chantal needed.[/QUOTE]
I thought it was just me, or it was really REALLY dark, but I thought I remembered him being bay…so what’s the real story behind that?
They were too dumb to know she was on a different horse in the beginning?
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Maybe it’s just me but I wouldn’t let Corey Nakatani (sp?) pet my dog much less ride my horse. :no:
Hope to see less soap opera drama this season. The personal stuff between Mike and Chantal was as painful to watch as I assume it was to have filmed.
Liked the episode last night more than most last season. Corey Nakatani really is an a$$, too. :lol:
Caitlin
I thought last night’s show was lack luster. So NotAJockey is a hot head and Iggy can’t ride… woooo
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What a shocker…Animal Planet keeps the most annoying things from season 1 in season 2. Weren’t they supposed to cut out some of the drama/mistakes?
Saw about eight horses breaking down
They feature a horse named BULLYBULLYBULLY and in the introductory segment he’s bay, then in the race he turned chestnut 
And, ugh, the Trevor Denman race recuts…Stop !!!
The Nakatani addition will keep the show interesting though.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree
[QUOTE=DickHertz;4323138]
What a shocker…Animal Planet keeps the most annoying things from season 1 in season 2. Weren’t they supposed to cut out some of the drama/mistakes?
Saw about eight horses breaking down
They feature a horse named BULLYBULLYBULLY and in the introductory segment he’s bay, then in the race he turned chestnut
And, ugh, the Trevor Denman race recuts…Stop !!!
The Nakatani addition will keep the show interesting though.[/QUOTE]
I like also how they go on about how Mulhall doesn’t want to lose Bullybullybully because he is going to be amazing. If that were so he’d be entered in a Maiden Special, not a Maiden $40k.
I hate the Denman voice overs, and when they cut from the race to a shot of horses running that is painfully obvious is not the actual race.
Some things better some the same
I agree with the thought TOO MANY BREAKDOWNS!! who wants to see that?
I also noticed that BBB was a bay then, SUPRIZE ! A Chestnut! but I wonder if they didn’t do that because they were being filmed. That might be part of it.
But as a long time watcher of racing, [but knowlege is a mile wide and an inch deep,] I was really hoping they would explain to the great unwashed, WHY people would run a beloved horse in a claimer!? I do know they run MSW do you have to qualify those? How old is BBB?
He’s an 06 baby that has run three times. I didn’t pull up his PP’s, but I would guess he’d run MSW and the drop to forty was a realistic effort to win a race.
Claimers
Well, you run them for a tag because that’s where they can win. This is a business and nobody wants to take a bath because they “love” a particular horse. It’s folly to run a horse over its head because you don’t want to “lose” them. Ask me how I know!?
If you really, really don’t want to lose them, either feel secure in your position on the backside (e.g. “nobody would claim this horse from me”), or feel secure that your horse isn’t necessarily washed up but also isn’t attractive as a claiming prospect. Maybe has run out of conditions…or is marginally competitive…has obvious problems. And if the fear is overwhelming, retire them and spend years supporting beautiful, talented pasture puffs while you pray for someone to come along and make them the next, best eventer/hunter/jumper/driver/dressage…You get my drift. Again, ask me how I know!?
I’m a blip on the radar screen of TB owners: the big ones will drop them through the ranks so fast that our heads spin as we watch them win low-level claiming races by multiple lengths. Those owners don’t care to lose them, indeed hope to lose them, and they have many, many more in the offing to replace what is sold down the pike or claimed.
Which brings me to another thought…and perhaps this should be a separate thread…should there be a responsibility from owners/ breeders of TBs who don’t make it on the NYRA circuit and are funneled down to lower level tracks, e.g. Finger Lakes? I’m a backsider at FL, so I have direct experience with the rejects that are shipped here to make their last dollar.
Does this piss me off? Sometimes, you betcha.
But here’s the clincher: when these horses are finally done, either totally broken down or just non-competitive, the trainers who house them in their stalls on the backside. or in private farms in the vicinity, there is an urgency to get them gone.
I’m thinking that there should be a mechanism to compel these owners/trainers/breeders to be accountable for the disposition of their rejects. It makes total sense. Why should we (the caring people at Finger Lakes), be the only ones who are invested in securing retirement homes for these NYRA castoffs? The NYRA connections have way more money than we do and they should pony up for the care and feeding of these horses before they are rehomed or disposed of.
I may have digressed. But, for heaven’s sake, understand that claiming races are the right place for the ones who are not allowance, stakes calibre. It’s just the way it is.
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Which brings me to another thought…and perhaps this should be a separate thread…should there be a responsibility from owners/ breeders of TBs who don’t make it on the NYRA circuit and are funneled down to lower level tracks, e.g. Finger Lakes? I’m a backsider at FL, so I have direct experience with the rejects that are shipped here to make their last dollar.
Does this piss me off? Sometimes, you betcha.
But here’s the clincher: when these horses are finally done, either totally broken down or just non-competitive, the trainers who house them in their stalls on the backside. or in private farms in the vicinity, there is an urgency to get them gone.
I’m thinking that there should be a mechanism to compel these owners/trainers/breeders to be accountable for the disposition of their rejects. It makes total sense. Why should we (the caring people at Finger Lakes), be the only ones who are invested in securing retirement homes for these NYRA castoffs? The NYRA connections have way more money than we do and they should pony up for the care and feeding of these horses before they are rehomed or disposed of.
I may have digressed. But, for heaven’s sake, understand that claiming races are the right place for the ones who are not allowance, stakes calibre. It’s just the way it is.[/QUOTE]
This is an interesting dilemma. Whenever I feel sorry for myself that my homebred is going to be a claimer, I look open a Daily Racing Form and look at the tracks that run for a fraction of what our usual one does. You see horses with stud fees worth more than most people houses or bought at Keeneland or Saratoga for millions. And now they are 5 yr old geldings running for $5,000 at some small track. Now who is going to retire them? The guy who lost a million producing or buying him and trying him, or the guy who claimed him for $5000, made $10,000 in a few starts, broke him down and needs his stall? There are no easy answers.
I wish I had the resources of one of our competitors. Any gelding that doesn’t make it at the allowance level goes to a trainer in VA and is sold as a hunter if suitable. They just don’t like their babies to slide down the claiming ranks. Now only if all of us could bankroll that. If I run my NW3L for $20,000 or $40,000 so he can win and he gets taken, how do I control what happens next year or whenever he is at the bottom? It is true that FL and the tracks like it that are the last stop need the most help.
I certainly understand that they aren’t pets
And I understand they have to run. What I guess I don’t understand is the levels. MSW ok NW of one or two, yeah I can see that, but then they have to win to move into allowance? There seem to be a lot more claiming than allowance races. Some of the explainations have made a lot of sense. But to some of us who aren’t involved as much as you guys, I just don’t see why you would risk a horse you really like? Are you FORCED to run in a claiming race? When they start as a maiden, they haven’t won. If they win 3rd or 4th out, then do they go to an allowance? I see ALOT of MSW for 2 year olds. I guess that is to give them a chance to win. Where do they go from there? I have tried to watch Saratoga closely and see so many two year olds. It is exciting to see babies run. Only a handful win the stakes so what happens to the rest?
(speaking of which–aging racehorses, from the NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/sports/24tour.html?_r=1&hp )
The whole Sadler-Mulhall drama seemed rather contrived if you step back and look at it. With the cameras rolling you just happen to have John watching the early morning work, then he was at the claiming office dropping off the ticket, et al. Not sure why the producers wanted to push the “pets” type of spin on things other then maybe to satisfy AP viewers who are anti racing.
I think the producers wanted to create some tense moments (if it really is that) and also discuss the subject of claiming which is the single largest part of horse racing. It certainly isn’t the graded stakes races …
While I doubt he could care what anyone thinks but clearly Corey Nakatani just came off as an ass and a unique form of just being rude. He’s a skilled jockey but not superior to numerous other jocks who are far more respectful. Then again only Corey has made it to being featured on TMZ 
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And I understand they have to run. What I guess I don’t understand is the levels. MSW ok NW of one or two, yeah I can see that, but then they have to win to move into allowance? There seem to be a lot more claiming than allowance races. Some of the explainations have made a lot of sense. But to some of us who aren’t involved as much as you guys, I just don’t see why you would risk a horse you really like? Are you FORCED to run in a claiming race? When they start as a maiden, they haven’t won. If they win 3rd or 4th out, then do they go to an allowance? I see ALOT of MSW for 2 year olds. I guess that is to give them a chance to win. Where do they go from there? I have tried to watch Saratoga closely and see so many two year olds. It is exciting to see babies run. Only a handful win the stakes so what happens to the rest?[/QUOTE]
You are not FORCED to run a horse in any race, but often a claiming race is the only viable option if the horse is not good enough to run in allowance company. Probably 70% of all races in NA are claiming races. Once you break a maiden that number rises.
There’s been debate on this forum before on whether there should be other options at the lower level, do a search to see. The general consensus is that most people seem happy with the way things are.
The rest of the world by and large uses handicap races and handicap ratings instead of the claiming system, which has it’s own set of problems, but does give one the option of racing a horse at whatever level you want and not risk losing ownership of the horse.
There’s a whole new set of skills to be learned by reading condition books and learning which races to enter or not. It seems really simple when you’re following the big name horses as a fan; not so much when you have a ‘blue-collar’ horse that you are trying to run & have earn a paycheck to pay his/her way. :lol:
Most tracks have them online now if anyone wants to check out a few. And the conditions can vary widely from track to track.
But the show is called “Jockey” and it’s on Animal Planet, so I can understand why they don’t really focus on the more detailed aspects of racing/training.
Watching the 2nd installment of season 2 with “I Want Revenge” - I was amsued when they showed his effiort in the Gotham Stakes with both Jimmy The Hat and Joe T’s girlfriend watching on from Santa Anita like it was happening right there on that track. This Despite the fact the Gotham was 3,000 miles away at Aqueduct Race Course 
An aside - the last I’ve seen on the IWR saga with Mullins suing IEAH for non-payment.
Thanks
I hadn’t heard about it, but thanks for the heads up! Really good group they came up with. All talented and well spoken. I’ve been watching Kayla Stra, and while she picked a tough competitive circuit to start out in (or maybe she’s been somewhere else), I hope she makes it.
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Then again only Corey has made it to being featured on TMZ ;)[/QUOTE]
:lol:
I thought it was gonna be a shot of him getting out of car accidentally flashing his crotch like most of the pics on TMZ.
Last weeks Jock’s was poor. Kayla continues to be still not a jockey and really behave unimpressively. Iggy rode well last in N Cal. If he wants to break back in and not be galloping horses he needs to get out of S Cal. Mike and Chantal need to go their seperate ways. The show is becoming more and more of a farce.
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