JRD Saddlery Issues

Hello everyone, I am going through a difficult situation dealing with JRD right now, and wanted to reach out for advice, suggestions, or similar experiences.

To give a little backstory, I am a relatively new horse owner - I have had my horse for just a little over a year now. When we bought him, we bought an M Toulouse that worked very well for us for about a year, but we always knew we would eventually want to get something custom. The trainer/barn I was previously at used JRD’s for almost all of the horses, and everyone seemed to really love their saddle. I was a little hesitant that a single company could offer the perfect fit for so many different shaped horses - but I trusted that my trainer would steer me towards a good product. In March I had JRD Saddlery out to fit a saddle, and measurements were taken of both my horse and I. I was given a loaner saddle to use for about two months while mine was being made. We opted to buy a used saddle and have it adjust to us rather than go full custom for budgetary reasons.

In May, my saddle was delivered. I was quite surprised when I opened it to see red piping, I had never been told or informed this is what I would be getting. While I did like it at first, I quickly became disappointed that it was so bright and stood out fairly strongly. The piping I could deal with, but there would soon be other much more serious issues. From the first time I rode in it, I felt much more movement than I expected and I also had very intense pain in my hip while posting and cantering. Additionally, It always seemed to slip very badly when mounting. Being new to riding, I assumed this was how my new ‘custom’ or ‘semi-custom’ saddle was supposed to fit, and just told myself that I needed to be more balanced.
Shortly after receiving my new saddle, I moved barns and started working with a new trainer. She quickly alerted and showed me just how poorly the saddle fit both my horse and I. She pulled another saddle from her barn, from a different brand, and I was shocked and saddened that it already fit him so much better than my saddle did. At this point, we both felt that due to the extreme slipping that it was unsafe for me to continue riding in this saddle.

On July 7th I reached out to Merhdad for the first time via text, and told him I was having issues and that I would like to schedule an appointment for him to come assess the issues. He responded and asked me to explain it again - so I did and tried to explain it better. No response. I waited four days, and sent another text requesting a saddle fitting date. No response. Wait six days, politely ask again, and he tells me to email him. We then sent a series of emails back and forth, where I kept asking for a date, and he would tell me that I’m using the wrong saddle pad - or that my stirrup leathers are wrong, and kept making what I felt were very poor excuses as to why the saddle wouldn’t fit.

While I’ve been waiting nearly 6 weeks for a date, I have sought the opinion of several professionals, We contacted two independent saddle fitters, took my saddle to a well-known consingment shop, and had my horse treated by a chriopractor. Everyone agreed immediately that the saddle didn’t fit my horse… but wait, there’s more! The horrible pain in my hips? That’s becuase the seat is way too small for me. Even though I am rather short (5’4) - I have a very long femur for my height. Even though my saddle measures to 18" - it rides more like a 17" becuase of the shape of the seat. I was told I should probably be in an 18.5/19 to accomadate my femur. All in all - the consensus is that the saddle clearly does not fit my horse, and that the seat is also several sizes too small for me.

JRD’s selling contract states that the saddle is guaranteed to fit upon delivery… so even if my horse lost or gain a ton of weight - that saddle never fit me. I’m 23, I’m definitely not growing! It also states that every saddle is entitled to one complimentary adjustment… which after waiting 6 weeks for a date, we feel that the wait has become excessive. And by saying this - I’m not saying that he offered and appointment in December and I didn’t want to wait, but I literally could not get the man the offer me ANY date that he would be available to come out to us.
At first we wanted to work with JRD to correct the saddle, but at this point we feel that with such serious issues, it’s not as simple as reflocking, and would likely need to start from scratch with a new saddle. After spending nearly four thousand dollars for something that we were measured for and told would “fit like a glove” I feel that we have been beyond patient and understanding.

Since it became clear to us that JRD was not going to come out to correct the situation, on July 25th we requested a refund for the price of the saddle. Again, there has been no response from JRD.

Does anyone have experience with a similar situation? At this point I am just so disappointed that have lost so much training time with my wonderful horse, I just want the refund so I can take it and put it towards something I can actually ride in. :frowning:

So sorry you are going through this.
You may want to go through your contract thoroughly.

Does it say specifically that you may return your saddle if you don’t like it for a full refund?

Did you pay with a credit card?

If yes, you may be able to get a refund by filing a dispute with the credit card company.

You may also want to check your contract about restocking fees.
Some saddle makers will take the saddle back but won’t refund the full price.

You may have to face the fact that you may be out 4000 dollars and nothing to show for it but a saddle you can’t ride in.

If you can’t get your money back, a different saddle maker might be willing to take it on trade for one of theirs.

I say might, because there might not be much of a demand for that kind of saddle , so it wouldn’t be worth it to them, although you never know.

You can try filing a complaint with the Better Business Bureau.

You could also contact the CEO of the company or the marketing director and express your displeasure and dissatisfaction with the company products and services.

If they have a web site you could post a negative review and warn potential customers about the product.

They may or may not respond to a letter or an email, but you will get their attention when you post on the internet.

I hope you can get this resolved and I hope you find the right saddle.

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What she said.

How frustrating to buy something so expensive and have it wrong, and the company be so unhelpful. A couple years ago I had a used JRD and emailed them with the serial number to see if I could get any info on it, and never got a reply. Contrast that with Black Country and Kent & Master’s who both got back to me on serial numbers within a business day. So I mentally filed JRD under brands I’m not interested in buying again. I don’t think they’re known for great customer service.

But mostly I wanted to say that, as someone who is 5’9" with a long femur, you probably do not need a 19" saddle. You probably just need a forward flap with a short block. I had an 18" saddle made that way, and it works perfectly. Alarm bells if they weren’t able to identify this need with a custom saddle order.

I hope you’re able to get this resolved and find a better saddle for you and your horse.

I went through the contract again tonight and there it only says (not exactly, but the gist) is that they may offer a refund at their discretion. However - the first thing the contract says is “saddle fit to JRD’s methods is guaranteed upon delivery” - which even if my horse had lost or gained a ton of weight (and I have picture proof this did not happen), the saddle never fit me (and I’m 23, so definitely not a growing excuse!) their website claims that the saddle should be balanced and should not cause the rider pain… which is exactly what is not happening - it’s extremely unbalanced and is causing me a ton of pain.

After I posted this I did read back from quite a few years ago and saw where this is not the first time at all that he’s done this to someone. There are already some complaints with the BBB in fact!

We paid via debit card (which we have already opened a refund investigation) but I believe he would have to more or less admit to not selling us an appropriate product for us to get the refund. He actually doesn’t accept credit cards, which in hindsight, should have been a red flag. His facebook page also doesn’t allow others to post reviews (because I think facebook reviews are permanent, so he couldn’t remove them) - their page allows for others to post to it, but since it would just be a wall post he could and likely will immediately remove it.

I agree that I may need to start posting on social media. I’m going to speak with my lawyer tomorrow and see if doing so would have any negative effects for me if I do end up in court, but if I get the go-ahead I will absolutely be explaning my situation.

Sometimes all it takes is a letter from an attorney to get it resolved, and I hope it turns out that way for you.

I am not a lawyer, so I’m not trying to give you legal advice, but the language in your contract doesn’t look good for you.

“At the discretion of the company” very few companies ever admit to any kind of error. You can’t even get the original fitter to come out and check the saddle.

I am afraid you got exactly what the contract says “A saddle fit to JRD’s methods is guaranteed upon delivery.”

It appears that the contract does not guarantee or state anywhere that JRD’s methods will actually fit you or the horse.

The website states that a saddle should fit the horse and not cause the rider pain. And that is true enough, but does it state this phrase in your contract?

I’m sure it doesn’t.

You may be able to eventually get a fitter out to attempt to fix it, but that is about all you will get.

I may be wrong and I hope I am, but without you threatening some kind of legal action, they are probably going to continue to ignore you.

Can you get info from the other complainants from the BBB and see if any of them were able to get their money back?

If any of them were successful, you might be able to find out how they did it.

I really am beginning to hate the collusion of trainers and saddle companies.

Some of them are on the up and up I am sure
, but most of the time the student gets screwed over.

Again, I hope you can get this resolved.

Good luck to you and let us know how it goes.

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Did you buy a custom saddle, or did you buy a used saddle? Your post is a little unclear.

Most companies will stand behind the fit of a brand new, custom made saddle, but not a refurbished, used one. So I bet the contract is just vague enough to allow JRD discretion here.

I have learned the hard way that you save money when you buy the right thing the first time, be it a saddle, tires for your car, furniture, etc. Every time I have tried to bargain hunt for a major purchase, I have been burned. Just be glad that you are learning this at 23 and not 43.

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I’m sorry this happened to you. JRD’s Calif store is located about 90 minutes from me–I’ve seen him come out and “fit” horses for decades (anyone remember his air panels gimmick?). He is legendary for poor customer service and saddles that do not fit. Glad you left that trainer.

When Merhdad came out to fit my horse, we only told him we needed a new saddle. He offered to go fully custom or he could do a used and then refit it to the horse. We opted to go used as my student budget just wasn’t going to be able to allow for a 7k+ purchase - and because he had offered the used option, we felt it would be fine. We didn’t pressure him to go used, we didn’t say that we wouldn’t buy from him if he couldn’t find a used one - the only thing he told me is that I wouldn’t have a choice of piping/design because he only had few that would fit both my horse and I, and again, I wasn’t bothered by that.

I think the contract is vague enough for it to swing both ways, which is why we will likely end up having to go through the legal system. The contract does not say anything about it being only a guarantee if you buy fully custom - and that may be the technicality we can get him on.

Who says that a used saddle can’t be the right thing? Surely I’m not the only one with a budget that can’t allow to just drop seven thousand or more to get a correctly fitting saddle, nor do I feel that I should have to spend that much for something that fits correctly. My M. Toulouse, while it was made to be an entry-level saddle, and never put me in a perfect position, at least allowed me to safely ride my horse for a year. Call me crazy - but I feel that after spending four thousand dollars, I should be getting a product that is at least somewhat correct. Not a saddle that causes me immense physical pain or practically falls off my horse.

I’ve been reaching out to attorneys in the area that we think would be able to help us and accidentally go in touch with his - so I’m sure at this point he is aware that we are serious about seeking legal action.

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A letter from a lawyer may make them pay attention, however it sounds like the contract has been worded in a way that gives them an out.

I’m always suspicious when a trainer endorses a particular saddle for their riders, it usually means that they are getting a commission.

Unfortunately, if the saddle is too small for you, it doesn’t matter if it could be adjusted to fit your horse better. Did the loaner saddle work for you? Maybe you could trade the one you have for one that’s suitable.

I’m a big proponent of buying the saddle that you know fits, which excludes custom. I know too many people who have spent thousands of dollars and ended up with a saddle that didn’t work for them, and it’s not limited to a few manufacturers. Unless your horse is really an odd shape, there are so many saddles/configurations available now off the shelf that custom usually isn’t required.

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OP, this may be the least expensive route. To plainly let him know you are willing to cooperate if/so he will resolve the issue. Make sure the atty carefully studies the contract. Mehrdad’s LLC is filed in Florida, so terms may differ from those in Calif. A saddle that is “unsafe to use” is a more serious issue than “does not fit me or my horse.” (Also, check for a broken tree). Going to court might get your legal expenses reimbursed but keep in mind this guy has probably been sued hundreds of times. And he can be very charming, if you can get a hold of him.

Good luck & let us know how it goes. Your experience will help others.

Sorry you got taken. Years ago, I made the mistake of getting a saddle from him. He’s a real charmer, knows how to talk the talk, however all I had were problems. He was a big deal, in my area, at the time. First, my saddle came back to me with two different sized panels. Over and over I had him refit it, with no good results. It caused my horse severe back pain and got me hurt, due to my horse bolting from the pain. A local saddle shop refused to resell his saddles, anymore as some were actually other brands that he had replaced the buttons with his own. Everyone was trying to dump them as it was impossible to get them to fit correctly, and he was nearby. Check for broke tree, as previously advised.
Sorry to say don’t hold your breath on getting it done right. The best saddle fitter I’ve used was Schleese (himself, not his reps).

There’s no way you need a 19 inch seat!!! How large are you? You probably just needed a more forward flap.

As far as the red pipping, did he not tell you it had pipping?

He no longer accepts credit cards. Well that’s a very telling statement because that is how those of us who got our money back succeeded. We sent the credit card company to get it back for us.

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Whoops, sorry I’ve taken a bit to respond, I’m going to read through and follow up now! :slight_smile:

I think that’s what it’s going to come down to at the end of the day. Right now we are waiting for the bank to get back to us, we checked a few days ago and apparently he has not responded to them either. I’m hoping that by providing email and texts to them, as well as some older forum posts from here about the same exact issues that the bank will give us the refund and then use their lawyers/name to get the refund from him. But if not, we will have to go the legal route unfortunately.

Now looking back, I probably should have looked into the fact the she has everyone in his saddles. That’s not to say they don’t fit everyone’s horse, but unfortunately I’ve now learned I’m not the only one in this situation. I’m honestly really disappointed because it is a beautiful saddle, but at the end of the day it rolls off my horse and causes me intense pain and that’s just not something I can live with. :frowning:

You really hit the nail on the head here, even if it could be adjusted, it doesn’t fit me at all - to the tune of causing intense pain in both hips. This is why we are so frustrated. I completely would understand if the saddle just needed a little tune up - but because it’s so far off from fitting both of us we feel we would need to start completely from scratch, which we are not interested in.

So interestingly enough, while I can’t say if the loaner saddle fit my horse well enough to be a long-term option for us, I can say that it didn’t cause me pain while riding (and I had it for about two months, riding three or so times a week in it). Unfortunately I wouldn’t be interested in taking it because of it’s color, while it’s really a stunning saddle, it’s brown and has a cognac colored seat… it was fun to ride in for a few months… but because I have a Friesian, I don’t really want brown tack. :confused:

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I think this is what we will end up being forced to do if I want to recover the full amount of the saddle (rather than just turning around and selling it). We are going to talk with our attorney and see what they think about the contract. I knew a few people have mentioned they think the vague wording might be what gives him an out - but I’ve been seeing it the other way, that it may actually work in our favor. That being said, I’m young and have never had to go through this, so perhaps I’m missing something!

I’m 5’4 with a very long torso, and not the slimmest build around haha - I think I made a typo in one of my earlier posts, I said 18.5/19 but meant to put 18.5/18 :slight_smile:

No, I was never told about the red pipping or the croc-skin on the cantle. When I first received it I loved it and thought it was beautiful… and I still do think it’s pretty… but because the red is quite bright, it’s very noticeable and is just not something I personally would have picked for such an expensive investment. All I told Merhdad was that I wanted a black saddle. I was surprised no one ever checked to see if it was okay, or even to just let me know.

Yep - we didn’t think anything of it, just assumed maybe the credit card companies charged him a high fee to use it or something like that. Hindsight is always 20/20 though, isn’t it? :frowning: