Jumpers, if you want an audience, we need to change our image

If the clothes are so unappealing, why does the “equestrian look” roll around with some regularity in the fashion world? There are probably still people around like my mother, who started riding primarily because she thought the clothes were so pretty.

When people watch football, they have an understanding of what’s involved because they played football in high school or college, or their child/ren played. Golf is pretty accessible - public golf courses, even Putt Putt gives you an inkling of how challenging it can be. Lots of gymnastics lessons being taught. Figure skating is pretty common in may parts of the country. Kids play ice hockey and there are teams all over the country. Track and field - people have done it in school and everyone knows basically how it works. Etc. I know that participation at the highest levels of these sports can be expensive, but not as expensive as riding.

When I was a kid, lots of girls in my school took riding lessons. There were riding schools all over town. Now, where I grew up, as in many places, to be able to ride you have to have your own horse, which is totally out of reach of many families. Rich people stuff, elitist. Not relatable. We all lived and breathed anything with horses in it - racing, show jumping, whatever. But how can kids get interested in horses if they’ve never even touched one? How does that help grow the audience for show jumping? It’s easier to just watch basketball.

Add to that the growing bunch of people who, never having had a chance to be around horses, think everything we do with horses is cruel and the poor beasts should only be free and galloping across the plains. I don’t know, there are problems, but I don’t think spectators not liking jumper riders’ clothes is really one of the main ones.

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I’m pretty sure @Texel was using jeans and a t-shirt as an example. Clearly don’t ride in that if you won’t get good performance out of it.

Though making clothing choices for sport based off of how it looks is silly. Performance must come before looks. Any what maximizes performance is subjective. You don’t feel constrained in traditional attire made from technical fabrics. I do. I don’t perform well in any close-fitting clothes. And because of that I chose to remove myself from the aspects of horse sport where that kind of appearance was valued, and where going against the prevailing norms of the culture even slightly is socially punished. I mean, I remember the mud that was slung on that thread on Dani Goldstein a while ago. Don’t tell me that she isn’t shamed for her choices that hardly even deviate from the norm.

Interesting though that you bring up tall boots specifically as protective gear. I was always taught that the minimum one needed to be safe was a boot with a heel and a narrow toe. Tall boots could help people with sensitive skin. But so do half chaps and full chaps. And some people don’t get pinched by their stirrup leathers. So why mandate tall boots? Let people make the decisions that are right for them. What’s the point in forcing grown women to make themselves look like prepubescent boys? I mean more power to you if it makes you happy, but let people make their own choices. It’s not that hard to do.

I don’t think though that shifting away from the traditional bastardized military look is going to put butts in seats. Frankly, I think English riding culture is desperately clinging to these traditions because people don’t want to face the fact that English riding is dying.

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if it was as simple as ditching the hunt coats than cross country would be prime time television event. IMHO it’s a lack of exposure due to are largely urban population - you want to increase public interest we need more events like the Royal Winter Fair in Toronto where school kids get to see a real live horse up close

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Nothing useful to add, but this had me snorting while trying not to spit out my coffee - so thanks for that OP :lol:

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First I’d love to know what tv channel the OP was watching to catch WEG? Years ago, I mean years ago there was a great Canadian channel that showed show jumping from all over the world. It was from watching Outdoor Life that I first saw Europeans wearing the GPAs, we were still behind that trend then.The shift from velvet helmets to the more athletic looking (and safer) helmets made the riders look like athletes rather than a dressed up prop on top of a horse.

2nd. - jumper attire. I’m not sure exactly what style attire the OP would like to see -Danielle Goldstein is competing with globs of feathers flowing out of her helmet and sometimes a lace jacket. Personally I think she looks ridiculous - the feathers are way over the top now. But that’s me, others think it’s fabulous. At most shows riders can compete in colored breeches and polo shirt or some other collared top.e unless it’s a classic/formal class? WEG, Olympics, money GP - that’s where rider put on their fancy dress and that’s a jacket, breeches etc. Wimbleton still requires all white attire. Does anyone really watch tennis to see what Serena Williams or Roger Federer are wearing? No they watch tennis to watch the world’s best tennis player play. Golfer Payne Stewart was known for his knickers and hats on the PGA circuit… but did people watch specifically to see what outfit? I’m sure it added to the fun - but the camera isn’t on him all the time. Do we care what Tiger Woods is wearing? No.

Go rent The Horse in the Grey Flannel Suit or ask someone about their old show attire - back in the 60’s /70’s Check out some of the clothes then. We did a "vintage horse show at my barn a few years back, some riders came out in Madras and linen jackets? Our mothers made neckbands out of a variety of fabrics, I had plaid floral etc, some kids matched their jackets and helmet - blue brown and even maroon. Now riders can personalize their helmets and for some reason, dark jackets seem to be in greater favor over nice tweeds or herringbone. So you see OP there was a time when you could be pretty fashionable and traditional at the same time.

Some disciplines have a much greater focus on different attire - Arabian, QH, Saddle Seat etc but in a flat class with many riders, you have to stand out more. In Jumpers wearing an embroidered purple sequinned shirt or jacket isn’t going to help leave the rails up or cut your time.

in the USA the sport is simply not interesting to a vast number of people. I see curling listed on TV sometimes how is that even possible when jumpers is so much more exciting?

I suggest the OP check out eventing - cross country is where riders can have fun put their stamp on their attire. And watching the vet jog at the big shows is a red carpet fashion show in itself. It’s fun. But dressage and SJ they’re all about tradition.

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To the few arguing that the point is that the attire we wear now does not allow for the best performance: What are some alterations or alternatives you have used or would suggest?

I cannot think of a single pair of pants in existence I would rather ride in than my silicone knee patch tights with a phone pocket, same for my tall boots.

I’m also unaware of any rules requiring tall boots over half chaps or full chaps for competing in jumpers, outside of formal attire competitions of course. Same for breech type / color and shirt type / color. Dani wears regular leggings (mesh panels and all) in GPs somewhat regularly and is not penalized. She also wears crop tops on occasion, though not something I would suggest/ do myself.

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The thing about being more dressed up in competition is not limited to horses. Figure Skaters (my mom would have killed me if I tried to practice in one of my competition outfits) and gymnasts wear a more casual version for practice just like we do.

There are very practical reasons for wearing the prescribed outfit. For most of us it’s not about being resistant to change. It’s the formality of competition.

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That’s a pretty dramatic leap, especially considering your belief that changing the attire would do nothing to increase the popularity of the sport.

I don’t think that having a civil discussion about the pros and cons of relaxing traditional dress rules in competition is a symptom of a “toxic” culture. I really don’t. ; )

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I guarantee you there are people, young kids and adults alike, who care much more about fashion than I do that watch their favorite players and absolutely pay attention to what they wear, and where they can buy it so they can wear it too. My own boyfriend is one of them with Tiger Woods and other high-profile golfers.

Attire may not be the biggest obstacle for generating public interest in equestrian sports, but it is certainly an issue. If a mom takes a look at getting their kid into a sport, and sees that she has to spend $300 on a show coat, $100 on breeches, and $300 on boots just for an outfit for their kid to compete in, but a $30 polo and $45 khakis to play golf and money is a major factor for her choice, well, take a wild guess which one she’s going to choose. (Yes yes, both examples incur many other expenses, we’re solely talking about a competition outfit here.)

Breeches and tall boots serve a purpose, we wear them largely for function. However, normalizing affordable prices for these items at all levels of competition would go a long way in changing public perception. Why are $200 TS breeches an absolute necessity to show in hunters at a rated show? A $500 Charles Owen helmet? Absurd. $50 breeches work just as well and look just as good, as does a $100 IRH. Doesn’t The Terminator event in a $50 skull cap or something? Sure, you’ll always have your rich people that want to buy the most expensive things because they can, this is true of all facets of life, but that shouldn’t be the norm nor expectation of all who wish to participate in the sport.
Jackets, however, do not have a functional purpose other than appearance. Even with modern-day athletic fabrics, they still make equestrians appear stuffy and snobby. People cry about tradition in the hunters - the hunter ring is so far away from an actual fox-hunt that they’re barely related anymore. Just because that’s what it derived from doesn’t mean it has to follow the same silly rules all these years later. What’s wrong with a polo shirt? Or an athletic-wear sunshirt for those of us that become lobsters in the sun with our see-through skin? Nothing, other than it doesn’t suit the image desired by traditionalists who can’t manage to let go of the past.

Don’t even get me started on hunter hair and dressage buns with those big blingy bows.

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A long time ago in a galaxy far far away, and ESPN was just getting started you could watch Show Jumping.

Even the net works had show jumping.

Occasionally, NBC sports network will have a competition on but you have to search for it.

When the US show jumping figures out how to sell beer, they’ll get TV sponsors.

Beach Volleyball gets plenty of air time and is an Olympic sport now. Why? Demographics. Beer and auto manufacturers pay top dollar for advertising spots because young men and not so young men will sit around and drink beer and watch young people in barely there swim suits jumping around for no good purpose.

Also, there needs to be more star f**** if you want TV coverage.

Everybody knows that Jack Nicholson was a huge basketball fan. Because the camera always panned on him .

Now, I dont know if Bruce Springsteen attends when Jessica is jumping , or whether Mr. Bloomberg is there when Georgiana is competing and I sorta understand why they dont particularly wanted to be pointed out .

But nothing brings in spectators like celebrities.

In some aspects the people who compete at the at the FEI level at events in the US are probably used to having few spectators.

It is different in Europe.

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The coverage has always been so edited that there wasn’t time. And also, they need better announcers. I mute my TV or feed. If we had the announcers the UK has? It would be more enjoyable. Instead we get Melanie Smith and Karen O’Conner. Dry for the non-equestrian and annoying for us who ride.

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FWIW riders wear whatever breeches/tops (within limits) they like at the fei level. Only “bigger” classes (grand prize, small grand prize, ranking classes) require white and a jacket.

and most professional and not so professional riders like breeches (or yoga pants a la Danny G.) and wear them around when they arent on a horse. Thet’re at work. These are their work clothes. They are comfortable and suited for the job. Same with boots. You see some superb innovation with boots these days, and some bold experimentation, like the clip in systems.

most riders are riding in shirtsleeves or vests or rando jackets on days coats arent required, but they’re still mostly fitted, because aerodynamics still matter.

even in ranking and bigger classes you see plenty of variety --even flair-- in helmet and jacket colors and styles.
I dont think anyone in the upper levels of the sport cares one whit what rando nobodies think they should be wearing to attract more attention to the sport. That isnt how they make their money…

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This. When I show dressage I have a random T-shirt or sleeveless shirt on because my stock tie hides it. Don’t get me started on kids with tails…

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I’d be more interested in watching (and TBH, even trying) something English like jumping, if I didn’t find the required attire really stuffy and boring looking. I’m not about to spend a few hundred dollars on an outfit that I frankly would feel stupid in, and its my least favorite part of watching the events. Jockeys wear bright colors, but other than that their outfits are pretty much designed for practicality. They look more like athletes than starched gentlemen.

I’m not trying to offend anybody who likes the outfit. But I do think it’s not completely unfounded. If the requirement was removed I imagine a lot of top level riders would keep it out of tradition anyway.

But, a high financial barrier of entry is already a big problem for equestrian sports. Why make it worse with a bunch of purely aesthetic requirements?

I have a similar disagreement with certain Western disciplines, where you need a silver encrusted saddle and bridle.

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The high financial barrier you mention has nothing to do with the outfit. I show in a 30 year old Melton that I got 15 years ago. The price of the shows is what keeps people away. Don’t act like it’s the outfit. My show breeches are beige and about 15 years old. My boots are custom and that’s honestly the only thing I will shell out for because I can’t fit off the rack. I didn’t go for trendy, I went for durable.

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In the jumpers I wouldnt say that the price of the outfit is at all a barrier. I worked for an olympian who rode and showed in the same expired velvet Charles owen.

You can also get plenty fun colorful and tech fabric jackets for 100 bucks these days, new.

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Hunters are high. That’s the only thing I got.

Yeah, it’s not the outfit that makes showing too expensive! I showed at Upperville one of the days in a pair of Tuffrider Sierras that I got for under $60. Most of my Pikeur stuff is from a store in Germany where I get it way cheaper than here.

Also, to the person who can’t stand wearing fitted clothes, well, we don’t wear them because of fashion, we wear them because it’s functional. We are trying to go fast and clean and don’t need excess fabric flapping around. I can’t even handle it when my shirt is too long for everyday riding- it has to be either just at my waist or long enough to be tucked in. No extra stuff!

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Personally, I think the breeches and boots serve a purpose. I think the shirt and coat are stupid, no matter what they are made of. A cooler, more athletic- looking top would alienate a lot fewer people glancing in from the outside IMO.

Lots of people school in their breeches and boots. No one wears the coat or shirt unless they have to. I think that says something.

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What kind of shirts do people think show jumpers are wearing??? Nearly every one of them is wearing a stretchy breathable tech shirt.

And usually a very stretchy breathable jacket.

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