Hopefully the new owners clear up his outstanding debt to Silver Creek from the 2010 stallion test so his papers are released (if it hasn’t been done already).
They did pay his debt.
I’m glad he truly did sell, but I still wouldn’t take anything Jill said about the fight, the stallions temperaments, or really anything as truth.
JMHO
The information isn’t just from Jill. And she had no reason at the time to lie about RS’ temperament DURING BREEDING. He was fine at other times. She owned all four, was promoting all of them. What would her reason be to tell me she was afraid of the horse because he was nasty during breeding?
Wait, RS and Aloha were injured? Am I reading this right that they were out TOGETHER and got tangled up in each other’s blankets? What???
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The information isn’t just from Jill. And she had no reason at the time to lie about RS’ temperament DURING BREEDING. He was fine at other times. She owned all four, was promoting all of them. What would her reason be to tell me she was afraid of the horse because he was nasty during breeding?[/QUOTE]
Probably nothing. Again with her other management choices or lack there of who knows if it is truly a case of nature vs nurture.
I never heard a poor word about him when he was owned by the Moore’s.
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Crazy circumstances about the blankets. Seeing what our 30 year old pony does to a turn out blanket you’d have thought the blankets would have just torn between two big stallions.[/QUOTE]
Aside from the fact you are right – two stallions would have made short work of any blanket (I had a mare bend an iron stand pipe almost in half when she got it hooked on a blanket)…what the heck were 2 stallions doing close enough to one another where they could get tangled up together?
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They did pay his debt.[/QUOTE]
Ahh thank you I didn’t know that 
You can tell I’ve not been following his saga lately…
Romatic Star Injuries
Was it really a case of stallions getting “their blankets caught”. Or was it a a case of keeping stallions in very poor facilities, and one got lose and savaged Romatic Star?
Romatic Star was injured after Jill Burnell moved the horses to a makeshift facility on a vacant lot with a travel trailer on it… this is where she moved the horses after she let her ranch go to foreclosure.
As you can see - the facilities were not exactly up to snuff for keeping a stallion - and Romatic Star suffered the consequences.
[source of the photos are more info on the incident:
http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/court-denies-burnells-petition-new-issues-arise.aspx ]
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Many are of the opinion he should be gelded… not a very friendly stallion from what I heard.[/QUOTE]
I have handled Aloha (and RW for that matter). I have found him to be a gentleman.
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Was it really a case of stallions getting “their blankets caught”. Or was it a a case of keeping stallions in very poor facilities, and one got lose and savaged Romatic Star?
Romatic Star was injured after Jill Burnell moved the horses to a makeshift facility on a vacant lot with a travel trailer on it… this is where she moved the horses after she let her ranch go to foreclosure.
As you can see - the facilities were not exactly up to snuff for keeping a stallion - and Romatic Star suffered the consequences.
[source of the photos are more info on the incident:
http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/court-denies-burnells-petition-new-issues-arise.aspx ][/QUOTE]
Gads! Got Bike?
What’s up w/all those bikes? Is JB also running a stolen bike ring or something?
I saw Aloha showing at the Royal last week in hand. He was polite and well behaved.
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So what are Aloha’s babies general like. I know one who is cute(although big head and ears, considering his Mom is very elegant), is going to be big I think, but seems to have a pretty short stride, especially at the canter, and high natural head carriage for a hunter.[/QUOTE]
In response to post #20…
Aloha’s Offspring have proven to be quite exceptional – In 2012 he was 3rd over all in the USEF Hunter Breeding Stallion ranks. In 2013 he is currently sitting at 7th over all – the points are based on the performance of his offspring. I think that says a lot.
I’m not saying he can’t be the sire of some pukes but anyone in the breeding business knows that breeding horses is a crapshoot! We breed our horses and hope that the foal is born healthy and that it has the best of its Dam and Sire.
I have seen a number of his offspring – if you google Aloha’s offspring you can see for yourself.
I find it funny how so many horse people can judge a horse they have never met - and judge the owner who they have never met as well. For the record… any two stallions that are put in a pen together will fight… it is what stallions do. It is not as if Aloha “savaged” RS - Both studs were not properly looked after, and as a result this incident occured.
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?164290-ALOHA!!!
http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/2nd-new-stallion-232633.html
http://www.ridingmagazine.com/riding_onlinemag/articles/2009_04/grayfoxfarm.htm
How many horses made up those rankings? I would venture a guess it is a small handful that were aggressively campaigned, not because Aloha had droves of exceptional foals. He did get some very nice mares, so that would help big time in the quality produced. Sorry, not drinking the kookaide.
I observed his smaller stature, poor work ethic and limited athleticism at the 70 day test (Where I saw him in person), where he did seem to be OK to handle- but certainly not a favorite horse to ride by the test riders. But, IMO the ease of handling a horse on the ground is not something that weighs heavily on if I will breed to a horse. The other factors I mentioned, absolutely do.
Stallions should be respectful of their handlers (Any horse should!) , but in situations where they are doing things like, oh breeding for example - some stallion tendencies and behaviors should be expected. If a person is not a confident and competent handler, perhaps they should find someone to do the job that is.
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Hunter Breeding Stallion rankings: as discussed at length on another thread regarding Redwine (who was top rated at the time), the hunter breeding stallion ranking is not really based on offspring “performance”, but on the quantity of offspring competing and earning points. Quality of offspring is not measured in the rankings. This is not to say the offspring are of poor quality, only that the RANKING is based solely on points won at shows. A young horse can be the only one in the class, and still win points, which are applied to the rankings. So it’s important to look at show results and actually see how many were in the class and how the offspring placed.
If the offspring where given scores for quality, and the rankings based on the scores (not the placings) then the stallion ranking would carry some weight. -
Stallions fighting if in close proximity: this is not always the case. Years ago at the SRS in Vienna a fire broke out in the Hofburg (part of the complex where the stallions live). The stallions were evacuated outside to a municipal park in the heart of Vienna. They were loose, and stayed as a herd, as that was how they had grown up, lived and worked. No mares, no fights. The only casualty were some prized roses in the park that a few stallions ate.
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How many horses made up those rankings? I would venture a guess it is a small handful that were aggressively campaigned, not because Aloha had droves of exceptional foals. He did get some very nice mares, so that would help big time in the quality produced. Sorry, not drinking the kookaide.
I observed his smaller stature, poor work ethic and limited athleticism at the 70 day test, where he did seem to be OK to handle- but certainly not a favorite horse to ride by the test riders. But, IMO the ease of handling a horse on the ground is not something that weighs heavily on if I will breed to a horse. The other factors I mentioned, absolutely do.
Stallions should be respectful of their handlers (Any horse should!) , but in situations where they are doing things like, oh breeding for example - some stallion tendencies and behaviors should be expected. If a person is not a confident and competent handler, perhaps they should find someone to do the job that is.[/QUOTE]
LOL there really is no pleasing any of you ignorant people. Have your opinions. This horse will continue to produce quality that will speak for itself.
All a’Board next stop Margaritaville
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Hunter Breeding Stallion rankings: as discussed at length on another thread regarding Redwine (who was top rated at the time), the hunter breeding stallion ranking is not really based on offspring “performance”, but on the quantity of offspring competing and earning points. Quality of offspring is not measured in the rankings. This is not to say the offspring are of poor quality, only that the RANKING is based solely on points won at shows. A young horse can be the only one in the class, and still win points, which are applied to the rankings. So it’s important to look at show results and actually see how many were in the class and how the offspring placed.
If the offspring where given scores for quality, and the rankings based on the scores (not the placings) then the stallion ranking would carry some weight. -
Stallions fighting if in close proximity: this is not always the case. Years ago at the SRS in Vienna a fire broke out in the Hofburg (part of the complex where the stallions live). The stallions were evacuated outside to a municipal park in the heart of Vienna. They were loose, and stayed as a herd, as that was how they had grown up, lived and worked. No mares, no fights. The only casualty were some prized roses in the park that a few stallions ate.[/QUOTE]
YA. In a herd… AS THEY GREW UP. You can’t expect the same behavior from stallions that were not raised that way. Also having no mares in the mix obviously makes a big difference as well since there is no competition. Your example is pointless.
Like I said, it was just my opinion. Jill being scared of one of her stallions during breeding is one thing, but she has also said some other stuff (both horse and human related, including recently) that is so far off the deep end I tend to anything out of her mouth with a grain of salt.
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