Justify lame

Wrong.

I’m recalling a conversation I heard recently, among senior level advertising pros. In short, none of them wanted to be promoted to creative director or even further up. Some of them even wanted to take a step back. Because, quite simply, at that level and in a big or mega agency/network environment, the job wasn’t “the work” and making “the work” so much as handling staff and clients and budgets. Administrative stuff. Entertaining, even (so to speak).

Racing’s changed a lot over the years. If I weren’t supposed to be on the clock right now, lol, I’d go looking for some of the articles I’ve read about the decline in small barns, even that Paulick Report piece about how big Goliath partnerships are more common than David-type owners these days.

No matter their opinion of Baffert or how he operates, I don’t think anyone who half pays attention to the sport would say he got to where he is by being an unskilled hack, leaning on assistants and drugs (circling back to the assistants reference in one of my earlier posts).

But a lot of us would wager he’s spending more time on the phone, pushing papers, doing lunch, making himself available to the media (sigh) and, in general, shaking hands – than running them down horses’ legs these days.

And that’s a whole other skill set a lot of horsemen lack, no doubt.

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I think the biggest skill to make it to that level is to be able to charm and influence the big dollar owners to invest in you, and the second is an eye to pick out talented youngsters at the sales. Then third is to do whatever it takes to win- drugs, push the horses hard, etc
 I’m not really sure that “training” per se has a lot to do with it.

Odd about Justify. Hope he is truly sound and not just under the influence to seem that way. I dont have any faith in racetrack vets to be ethical but you would hope that the prospect of him breaking down would be enough of a PR nightmare that someone might do something about it.

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Aren’t you just a nasty piece of work!

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Just my 2 cents but I wish BB hadn’t said scratches. I doubt he knew the horse would be toe touch lame on the left hind when he brought him out. I think had he said that the horse appeared to have a minor injury and that the vet would be called out immediately to see what the problem was would have gone over a lot better. “I don’t know but I’ll find out right away” is a better answer then something that sounds so unlikely.

I’m beyond thrilled that it was a minor injury and that the horse is sound and back to work.

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Not sure where you’re digging your information up from, but you may want to recheck it.:sigh::lol:

Justify was fine through his gallop & hasn’t shown any more signs of being off.

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He has too many horses to do that. But he did pay his dues, absolutely. But yes, trainers in his position don’t even recognize every horse in the barn. They need great assistants and staff.

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I agree with this at least in part, but even a trainer in this position will recognize the top horses in his barn(s). Dont think he handled this in the best way, but thankfully the horse seems fine. Looking forward to the Preakness


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Just misinformed. It’s all about the numbers nowadays. If a trainer doesn’t have the win percentage, the owners move the horses to someone who does.

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Haha, well of course you need the numbers
but I dont think what I wrote is “nasty” at all. first and foremost, you need the eye to pick out good horses and the big fat wallet to buy them, and then you need to be highly competitive to do whatever it takes. this is true for many horse sports- good training techniques will only get you so far

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Bolding is mine - this is true for all horse sports (and probably sports in general). I think we’ve all known a talented horse that didn’t have top connections and that horse never got it’s name in the spotlight. Too many trainers cheat so that an honest trainer with a low budget owner won’t win even if they have the superior horse. This may not be as true in racing as it is in showing, but it does hold water. The worst offenders that I know are the hunters and the Tennessee Walkers.

Looking at the hoof pix from the link it seems as tho Justify has crappy feet. Beautiful horse tho.

[Bolding is mine] I think racing offers a more level playing field than most horse sports though–because racehorses aren’t being judged by any subjective standard. The superior horse will beat the competition more times than not (barring a bad ride or an unlucky trip.) Honest trainers win plenty of races. And many many low budget horses out-run their purchase prices, their breeding, and/or their connections. The most famous example of that is probably Seattle Slew. Smarty Jones would be a more recent high-profile example.

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The video where Justify could barely walk on either hind leg.

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Alright

I’m not the one who called you nasty. Many good horses are kept and raced by the breeder.

Agree, most specifically since the winner always gets tested. With showing, it’s supposedly random.

Me, too. But I think my money’s staying home.
I spent American Pharoah’s prep and TC season trying to beat him. That was a valuable life lesson. Though a backup boxed exacta with him and Tale of Verve paid my phone bill that month :lol:

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Ummmm
 of on LH, not both hind legs and that video was from the Sunday immediately following the Derby (ie, a week ago).

Justify has since been on the track more than once with no indication of a problem (and no, he wasn’t worked in secret in the middle of the night
 plenty of people were watching his works). He was also examined by a vet from, IIRC, KHRC and found to have no issue.

HipNo34, I’d agree
 Preakness (based on all the expected parties being in the starting gate) would be a good place for exactas, trifectas with Justify over a few other candidates :lol:

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California Chrome (homebred out of an $8k mare to a $2k stallion)
 I’ll Have Another ($11k pinhook)
 Mine That Bird ($9.5k yearling)
 Funny Cide ($22k pinhook)
 War Emblem ($20k buyback)
 and I’m just limiting the conversation to KD winners this century.

Apart from the insane cost to play, it’s by far the most level playing field there is. A good horse will win in spite of his connections.

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