Katie Price aka Jordan restate her Olympic ambitions (**Video**)

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Sorry to go off topic - where do you get it - in Canada?

Most major department stores carry Wacoal; be sure to get minimizers though. The ones with a lacy design last longer. Or try eBay. Enells you can get online too.

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Y’all are going to hate me, but I’m hoping that KP can shake up the dressage world a little. If she can chase away a few of the mother grundies and attract a funner crowd, more power to her.

I took a friend of mine to a show the other day (she is a showjumper and eventer) and after half an hour, she turned to me and whispered “Nobody looks like they’re having fun, why are they doing this if it isn’t fun?”

KP is out there having fun. Yay!

Oh, and as for people laughing at her Olympic ambition : if you ask a sports psychologist what it is that prevents a good sportsman from getting to the top, he’ll tell you it’s the lack of a belief that he can. She may not make it, but believing that she can is going to give her a much better chance of doing it!

And as for her being a role model : my 5yo daughter wants to be a vampire slayer when she grows up (or arock star, depending on her mood). Right now, nothing KP does frightens me!

PS Stinks, can you PM me KP’s email address? I’d like to email her and wish her luck.

http://www.katieprice.co.uk

My new years resolution is going to be spend at least 8 hours a day being a terrible role model for other peoples children…gosh, it’s going to be fun!

“Snobbism” in dressage?

That Katie Price will fix? Because she wants to loosen up dressage?

Hm. Lots of interesting thought processes going on, I think says more about people than the situation.

None of it makes any sense to me.

I think this is a reaction against:

People’s own insecurities.

Local dressage queens who are imagined to be uppity and not friendly to new comers.

People who buy expensive horses and make others jealous.

People who don’t want whooping, yelling and screaming during their test. They’re ‘stuffy’, ‘conservative’ and ‘taking all the fun out of dressage’.

So that a ‘topless model’ comes along and everyone should love her when she says she’s going to the Olympics. Because of the things they think they see locally and the resentment they feel about not making it at that level, because they feel dressage stinks - the horses and riders that win, the judging, the organizations, even the traditions…

…but…if anyone else came here and said ‘Yeah I am just going to do it, just because I want to’, 50% of the people here would hop up and shout, ‘follow your dream!’ and bludgeon to death the people who say, ‘Um, excuse me, but it isn’t quite that easy, not sure you realize how hard it is to even just go to the Olympics, let alone do well’.

And it isn’t. I’ve watched people for years, with way more money and time than Katie Price, not make it to the Olympics. Sure, they became better riders due to riding nice horses, having riding lessons, and practicing. But there is more than separates people at that level than money and time. PLENTY of people have the money and time, and they don’t make it to that level.

It is simply not true that wanting to, time and money, will get you to the Olympics. It isn’t true. Apologies to Horatio Alger and the American Dream, but it isn’t true.

SURE, you can improve, and even win some ribbons, with money and time and wanting to. And you can have a lot of fun. But the rest of it…not so easy.

Because it takes more than money, more than time. It takes more than wanting to. It takes more than ‘a good horse, a good coach’. It takes the best coach, and the best horse, and a person who physically has fast reactions, the ability to stay relaxed while working and thinking very hard, and a temperament few people have. You’re not talking about being ‘better’, or ‘improving’, you’re talking about being one of the top 3 riders in your country, and then being one of the top 3 riders of the top 3 rides of all the countries.

Normally, anyone who came here and said, ‘I’ve got the money and I’ve got the time’ would only get agreement from people who highly resent those who they perceive as beating them because of unfair advantage - ‘well OF COURSE they win! they paid more for their horse, and all they do is take riding lessons, they couldn’t take a poop without their coach there helping them! Of COURSE they’ll win if they have money, because the system stinks and that’s all it takes - MONEY.’

No…I’m not saying it’s cheap, or that it doesn’t take a lot of money. I’m saying it takes a lot more than just that - plenty of people have money and lots of it.

For one thing, ‘snobbism’ in dressage is in the eye of the beholder. That someone like Katie Price could or would fix any perceived snobbism…rather a leap of the imagination.

I don’t actually find most successful riders in dressage to be ‘snobbish’ at all. Sure, some local novice riders can be easily frightened and touchy at the local boarding stable. When people are scared to death about their horse popping them out of the saddle, or terrified of competing, they get testy. When they’re not secure in themselves they pick on others, and they don’t get it from doing dressage - it’s all over the horse world. It’s the rally cry of the novice.

All most of the people I met in dressage ever did is lend me a helping hand with my crumby little pony, regardless of how much they had or didn’t have. I don’t think saying a purpose bred horse may be more suitable to the top levels is ‘snobbism’, I think it’s being practical and sensible, despite having non wb for most of my riding life.

I don’t find judges to be ‘snobbish’ against the various American breeds, and I don’t find much ‘snobbism’ in dressage per se - that’s a trait of individuals, and fixed at the individual level, if ever. And it’s something horse people in general seem to fall easily into.

I think it’s also a rather huge stretch of the imagination to say that Katie Price is in dressage because she wants to bring a breath of fresh-air-down-to-earth-salt-of-the-earth to it.

She’s in it because she wants to be, so she can have some fun and make as much money as possible with her clothing line, just like she’s into everything else - singing, acting, modeling.

An English POV

KP really isn’t an issue to most British Dressage members - grass roots or GP.

The world and his mother know the only way she will get to the Olympics is by buying a ticket to watch - just like the rest of us.

If I had oodles of cash, could afford to buy and keep a ready made PSG level horse (or two) with Andrew Gould - who is a nice bloke as well as a cracking rider - AND be trained day in, day out by said Andrew G, I would do it in a heart beat.

It’s all a huge publicity machine. KP has competed once, at an unaffilliated Prelim and come 6th. The clothing appeals to the younger rider/kids. My ass is too big for pink anyhoo.

The HOYS thing was an exhibition ride with her trainer and another of his pupils - was not DTM as we know it. More like a musical ride. A bit of fun, something sadly lacking at times with BD.

The Elibergs/Davisons/Storrs and Hesters are hardly worrying about KP nipping into the team at the last moment. They are too busy making a living.

Paddy

Which of course we all know. But good for her for having the bollocks to say it, publicity and new clothing line notwithstanding. :wink:

At least she seems to have some fun

At least she seems to have some fun with her kids.

http://www.viddler.com/explore/WorldCups/videos/202/

Theo

I think this is a reaction against:

People’s own insecurities.

Local dressage queens who are imagined to be uppity and not friendly to new comers.

People who buy expensive horses and make others jealous.

Considering the fact that you haven’t competed in decades and it’s questionable whether you even ride, how on earth do you know this? Oh yes, it’s from your vast experience on the internet!

I was speaking with an UL rider yesterday about the elitist element of dressage. She has been very successful in the sports and is currently opening her own training business. She came from the hunter world years ago. She said there is an obvious difference between hunter people and dressage people/hunter shows and dressage shows. As Kaeleer’s friend observed they don’t look like they’re having any fun. There are people in the sport who are quite elitist. This lady told me had it been a decision based solely on the type of people who generally comprise dressage, she would have stayed in hunters, but she loves dressage. Of course, not everyone is like this who ride dressage. However if this woman, who has trained and taken clinics with the best California has to offer, feels that there are are quite a few snobs in the sport, I think I’ll take her word for it. By the way, she’s a very lovely, down to earth, nice person, so it isn’t a case of nastiness that she has this opinion. We were just chatting and she told me in a matter of fact way, as such is the sport.

I hope KP does very well.

Elitist dressage?

Y’know, I hear this a lot. And I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. But honestly, I rarely see it.

I used to ride in region 1, VA, on a cross bred horse of no significance who was a nice/correct mover. We did well–many 60s-70s Tr/1st level. I had a trainer that did not come to the Morven Park shows with me, I hauled in alone and did my thing. Over the few years I met LOTS of people in the CDCTA and VADA GMOs that were very nice, helpful and fun. I made lots of friends that I keep up with still. I am not super gregarious and did not go greatly out of my way to meet people. But I saw the same folks over and over at shows and eventually it just happened.

Fast forward to now. I still ride in region 1, in NC. I have a nice horse and show more mid level dressage (3rd, just started 4th). I now go with a whole barn full of people including my trainer and we work hard, show hard and play hard. There is usually an open bottle of wine each afternoon and music and we have a great time. I have met tons of people through my current GMO (NCDCTA) as well, both riders and trainers, and everyone is friendly and appears to have a good time.

Regardless of where I have shown, I have always walked up to a competitor and complimented them when I see a really good test (even if I have no idea who it is–did that to Carol Lavell once as it turns out :lol:). I always congratulate the rider ahead of me as I enter the ring, and wish good luck to the competitor after me as I exit. And I don’t think I’m alone.

Sure there are rivalries, and I’m no saint when it comes to snarkiness. But by and large I don’t see the elitism, unless I’m just oblivious to it (could be!). In the meantime, I will continue to ride around chatting and laughing and having a good time at the shows.

Sorry to derail…

Y’know, I hear this a lot. And I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. But honestly, I rarely see it.

I think it also depends on your particular situation. When I was at a stables with quite a few trainers, there was a lot of back-biting and nastiness between the barns. Now I’m at a stables with only one trainer and the other boarders are very nice and supportive.

But back to the topic of KP, many people are not accepting of her in her everyday life, never mind the dressage world. I don’t see her being accepted, en masse, by the dressage community, with open arms. But maybe her participation will force the sport to be more inclusive, like it or not.

So to those who swear she’ll never make it, will you eat your hat if she does?

Because swearing that someone who is very dedicated will NOT reach their goals is not only pretty rude, it’s also a pretty good way to make yourself feel sheepish in the future.

It dawns on me that KP’s motives are probably not to “shake up” the dressage world, but rather in the other direction, to borrow some much needed credibility from it.

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It dawns on me that KP’s motives are probably not to “shake up” the dressage world, but rather in the other direction, to borrow some much needed credibility from it.[/QUOTE]

I don’t think that would be her sole motive. She probably doesn’t even realize what she’s getting into. I have noticed, via the celeb gossip boards, that she is trying to improve her image though. I hope she also like the sport as well.

A former hunter person is saying that dressage is more elitist than the hunter world!!!???!!! Are you kidding me? That is probably about the most hypocritical thing I have heard in a while. I came from the hunter world myself and I have been snubbed more by hunter and western people than I have by dressage people. Of course I realize that not all hunter and western people are like that but that certainly has been my experience. I think slc makes a very valid point.

There are snobs in every group. I’m looked down on by eventers (edited to add SOME eventers)because I don’t jump, I guess that makes me boring because I’m not even close to a thrillseeker.

Oh, and for the record, I have a blast when I go to a dressage show. That’s like a party person saying your no fun because you don’t go out and get drunk every weekend. Just because we take it very seriously while we are actually riding, does not mean we are not having fun. I can’t speak for everyone of course. Different strokes for different folks.

Oh, and for the record, I have a blast when I go to a dressage show. That’s like a party person saying your no fun because you don’t go out and get drunk every weekend.

Oh please.

What actually is SLC’s valid point? Her opinion is that people who find snobbery in dressage are simply insecure or jealous. As you wrote, you found snobs in hunters and western. Were you jealous? Of course not. That’s your experience. The woman I referred to in my previous post would not have any reason to be jealous of anyone. It’s her honest experience with dressage. She had no agenda. We were just chatting.

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My new years resolution is going to be spend at least 8 hours a day being a terrible role model for other peoples children…gosh, it’s going to be fun![/QUOTE]

Katie is a celebrity who has entered the horse arena and is going to be, like it or not, a role model for our equestrian daughters. What our daughters see in Katie is going to be up to her. Will they see the famous star, with dyed hair, huge breast implants, anorexic figure, exaggerated solarium tanned skin, less-clothing-more-skin outfits and trivial behavior? Or, will they see a horse lover and dressage star who creates a productive impulse in our daughters to become more and more ambitious, to gain a desperate urge to succeed? I hope for the later. fiona, you obviously think all of this is all a joke. As a father of three young daughters, I do not. I am getting my daughters into horses to avoid the very thing that KP represents.

Filly sire.Do you get much press in your area about Katie? I would imagine it would be easy to shelter them from her.