Keeneland September Yearlings!

[Where_sMyWhite]

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First skydy, you might bore others but not me… I like looking at eye candy

Now I’m looking at the Sale Index (looks a bit like a spreadsheet).

I assume “Session” is the same as “Book”?

What does ‘Out’ mean?

It appears that price doesn’t show up in the spreadsheet (at least not this one).

Do the Berenson have a horse represented in Book/Session 2? (didn’t see their name as consignor which might not mean anything as usually they are breeder).

In general, I like the looks of Pioneerof the Nile, Medaglia d’Oro and Speightstown.

For shed performance I might not turn down a Bodemeister or Into Mischief.

Not sure my financial planner would be onboard with any of my purchases however :lol:

[skydy]

Where’s My White , OUT means withdrawn from the sale won’t be selling.
Book is the same as session.
To find the sale results look here:http://www.keeneland.com/livevideo/s…deowithcat.php
RNA means the minimum price for the horse was not met. Submit (an offer) means that you can make a deal with the seller privately if you can come to an agreement…

[Gestalt]

@Lord Helpus

Keep going --I love keeping up with the sale through you.

I watched the first 40+ today and, as always, I was gobsmacked by the prices. I did notice that there was not a single RNA in the first bunch of horses. Amazing.

Ditto. I enjoy your commentary!

[Gestalt]

skydy, I don’t get how the sales can happen later. Doesn’t the auction house get angry over the missed commission?

At the horse sale in Hermiston if you get caught making a deal after you no sale your horse they kick up a big fuss. There are still plenty of parking lot sales but they are definitely frowned on.

[Where_sMyWhite]

skydy, I figured out after the fact that OUT was out of the sale… duh

I’ll have to watch that other link for sales prices that don’t make The Bloodhorse.

Curiosity question if anyone has thoughts/opinions not related to Keeneland September.

Though process on putting bloodstock in Fasig-Tipton vs Keeneland November?? Why would one, if one had potential quality bloodstock pick one sale vs the other?

Oh, and does LaurieB have a horse in Book 2?

[LaurieB]

@Where'sMyWhite

More questions

First skydy, you might bore others but not me… I like looking at eye candy

Now I’m looking at the Sale Index (looks a bit like a spreadsheet).

I assume “Session” is the same as “Book”?

What does ‘Out’ mean?

It appears that price doesn’t show up in the spreadsheet (at least not this one).

Do the Berenson have a horse represented in Book/Session 2? (didn’t see their name as consignor which might not mean anything as usually they are breeder).

In general, I like the looks of Pioneerof the Nile, Medaglia d’Oro and Speightstown.

For shed performance I might not turn down a Bodemeister or Into Mischief.

Not sure my financial planner would be onboard with any of my purchases however :lol:

Books usually have more than 1 session. A session is a day’s worth of selling. This year at KeeSept, Book 1 had 1 session. Book 2 has 3 sessions (Tues, Wed, Thurs) and the rest of the books have 2 sessions.

Out means the horse was entered in the sale but withdrawn after the deadline (withdrawn before, it wouldn’t have appeared in the catalog.) It does not ship to the salesground.

We have 2 yearlings in Book 2: hip #416 (colt by Animal Kingdom) who goes through the ring tomorrow evening and #1114 (filly by Into Mischief) who sells on Thursday.

I hope that helps!

[LaurieB]

@Gestalt

skydy, I don’t get how the sales can happen later. Doesn’t the auction house get angry over the missed commission?

At the horse sale in Hermiston if you get caught making a deal after you no sale your horse they kick up a big fuss. There are still plenty of parking lot sales but they are definitely frowned on.

When a horse sells “back at the barn” the sale still goes through the sales company. You just do the transaction in the office instead of the ring, and the auction house takes its commission just as it normally would. Buyers establish credit with the auction house ahead of time and that credit is used to make the purchase. Money doesn’t change hands (at least it’s not supposed to!)

[skydy]

Lord Helpus I am reading from my scribbled notes not in order. I liked these horses. Not surprisingly my favorites were not in line with the buyers! That, I suppose, is why they are professionals and I am an enthusiast only. Here you go, the ones I can decipher from my scribbles:

#62 Half to Shackleford RNA 575K
#44 260K Sold
#82 1.25 Mil Sold
#84 460K Sold
#103 800K Sold
#113 435K Sold
#118 RNA 900K
#119 RNA 475K
#123 RNA 825K
#128 1.6 Mil Sold
#136 900k Sold
#146 185K Sold

There were only so many videos available and let’s face it at this level we’re picking nits. In my scribbles I have “nice not a standout mover nice breeding” by a horse that sold for more than 2million, so what do I know?

I watch the videos and look at the pedigrees in advance and watch for the hip#'s I think I’ll like so I can at least see them in the ring. I plan in advance so I am able to watch the entire sale.

On this index look to the right and you’ll see the horses that have videos.http://flex.keeneland.com/saleindex/saleindex.html
If you click on the hip number of the horse (on the left of the page) the pedigree will come up.

Now, if you look here you can see if the horse sold and for what price or if it was RNA (and the highest bid for the horse, that alas was not enough). http://flex.keeneland.com/summaries/summaries.html

[skydy]

@LaurieB

Books usually have more than 1 session. A session is a day’s worth of selling. This year at KeeSept, Book 1 had 1 session. Book 2 has 3 sessions (Tues, Wed, Thurs) and the rest of the books have 2 sessions.

Out means the horse was entered in the sale but withdrawn after the deadline (withdrawn before, it wouldn’t have appeared in the catalog.) It does not ship to the salesground.

We have 2 yearlings in Book 2: hip #416 (colt by Animal Kingdom) who goes through the ring tomorrow evening and #1114 (filly by Into Mischief) who sells on Thursday.

I hope that helps!

Good lord Laurie, I should have known that since I have yours written down.

Sorry for the bad info WMW. LaurieB races horses, breeds home breds and sells the ones she doesn’t keep for her broodmare band or to race. She knows whereof she speaks.

Book 2 is not a big drop in class, pedigree or physical-wise. Many horses in book 2 sell for as much or more as some of those in book 1 though book 1 was pricey this year. You won’t find the Tapit- Miss Besilu knock-out fanciness breeding there, but there will be some very nice (and pricey) horses.

[skydy]

@Where'sMyWhite

skydy,

Curiosity question if anyone has thoughts/opinions not related to Keeneland September.

Though process on putting bloodstock in Fasig-Tipton vs Keeneland November?? Why would one, if one had potential quality bloodstock pick one sale vs the other?

That would be a question that LaurieB would be qualified to answer. I think it may really just depend upon which one you prefer to do business with.

Fasig Tipton has sales in New York and other parts of the country while Keeneland is Keeneland and Kentucky central. It seems to me that F.T. tries to be more “boutique”.

What say you LaurieB.? What factors in to the choice?

[Palm_Beach]

The summer sales are considered the top sales with the best yearlings. I believe Keeneland Nov is a breeding stock sale, so I don’t even know if there will be any yearlings. If so, they will be lower quality than the summer sales.

WRT photo/video, the serious agents and buyers go around to the farms in person and look at the colts prior to the sale.

[Gestalt]

Colour me ignorant, but I’m a bit surprised by the high dollars for War Front yearlings. Is this usual?

[Where_sMyWhite]

LaurieB, thanks for explaining Book vs Session (although frustrating then to still know without a bunch more research when they go into the ring). I also realize the sales are catering to folks on site and not the lookie-loos on the internet

Thanks also for the update on your yearlings and when they’ll go through the ring. Based on past sales that I’ve kinda paid attention to, I would agree that Book 2 isn’t far off Book 1.

Will keep my eyes peeled for 416 and 1114 (I do like both Into Mischief as well as his offspring). Animal Kingdom doesn’t speak as much to me.

Will you be keeping any of your homebred yearlings this year (to watch for next year)?

[Where_sMyWhite]

Gestalt, I’m no breeder or pin hooker or buyer

War Front stands at Claiborne for $250,000. In 2016, North America #1 sire by SWrs and World #1 sire by 2yo SW. Yearlings sold up to $1.9M in 2016.

I’m thinking all those stats are contributing to this year’s yearling crop prices (of course, depending on dam as well)

[LuvRedHeads]

I couldn’t get the live stream to work on my laptop or on my phone

@skydy You’re probably just as qualified as the next person. IIRC, we had a $1.2M colt in my barn that was a 1/2 to Point Given. Raced 3 times, won $2,000. The colt that I groomed and was my favorite the experts laughed at. Said he’s never make it. Sold for $140K. Was a Grade 2 winner, Belmont track record holder, winner of $800K, made it to the Breeder’s Cup Sprint. Goes to show its all just a gamble.

Don’t forget, Curlin was an $11,000 yearling

[LuvRedHeads]

@Palm Beach

The summer sales are considered the top sales with the best yearlings. I believe Keeneland Nov is a breeding stock sale, so I don’t even know if there will be any yearlings. If so, they will be lower quality than the summer sales.

WRT photo/video, the serious agents and buyers go around to the farms in person and look at the colts prior to the sale.

If I recall correctly (and it’s been 10 years, so this might have changed) FT JUL was a good spot for offspring of hot young unproven sires, FT Saratoga was a boutique sale. The best of the best and the really WOW yearlings were saved for Keeneland SEP Book 1 & 2. KEEN NOV is a breeding stock sale, with a mixed bag of maiden mares, mares in foal, weanlings, some active race horses and a few stallion prospects.

If you really want your socks knocked off, KEEN SEP Books 1 & 2 are the place to be!

[skydy]

@Palm Beach

WRT photo/video, the serious agents and buyers go around to the farms in person and look at the colts prior to the sale.

I believe the videos came to be for consignors to show their yearlings to buyers who use agents to pick their horses and who don’t go to the sales, let alone to the farms. They may fall for a certain horse, you never know. It is a marketing technique that may help, the “may” being the reason that most hip #'s don’t have walking video.

The agents and buyers who attend the sales go to the barns at the sale and ask that the horses they have short listed be taken out of the stall and walked for them. Some of the yearlings do a lot of walking!

[Where_sMyWhite]

BTW, I noticed yesterday on some of the auction ring snippets on TVG (on TV), I saw what looked like a star or something similar on the hip under the hip number?

What would that have been and what might it have indicated?

[skydy]

The dam of Tapit colt that sold for 2.6 Million, was herself sold for 2.6 Million as a weanling at the November sale a few years ago. She came from a private dispersal though, with some fantastic bloodlines. Way to recoup some of your money!

[skydy]

@Where'sMyWhite

BTW, I noticed yesterday on some of the auction ring snippets on TVG (on TV), I saw what looked like a star or something similar on the hip under the hip number?

What would that have been and what might it have indicated?

It looked to me like a logo. Perhaps Winstar? I noticed one that looked like the Adena Springs logo as well. My best guess, for what it’s worth.