Yes.
nope. Had a name change in there. Wonāt say much more but you would know it under a different name.
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I understand that.
My point is, that if USEF wants their new anti-doping-family-friendly-increase-the-membership initiative to actually progress beyond the rhetoric, then they need to address the rules ASAP or they will have this sort of PR nightmare occurring ad infinitum.
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I believed you! It was on Horse Show Diva Too.
Way back a few pages someone said āmental illnessā. Bingo!
āONLY want blood.ā Hmm. It seems to me that this is an instance of distributing blame the wrong way. You canāt say that the people drugging horses as part of an expensive hobby sport for the wealthy Had No Part in creating that rancor. Whatever extreme reaction you see from the hoi polloi, donāt deny that it has been earned and could have been easily avoided.
And hereās the thing: This kind of public outcry from the Great Unwashed comes because those on the inside wonāt police their own. And so, it seems to me, that the USEF someday will have to crack down on its worst offenders in order to hold off public scrutiny (perhaps leaving room for the less egregious cheaters to keep on keeping on.)
This happened with the gaited horse folks-- bad policing āin houseā allowed the USDA to do it for them; folks here think PETA is on an ill-informed crusadeā and so arguing that the Joe Q. Public is really in the wrong when he fed up on the diet of news of drugging is a mistake. Itās missing a warning sign issued to the USEF and digging a hole for that governing body that will be hard to refill.
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This is quite random, but I was looking into calling Amy Farmer who runs a local barn by me in Illinois for lessons, and I was wondering if she had any relation to Kelly Farmer. Does anyone know? She is out of Celebration Farm.
Farmer is a very common last name. Even if they are related (I have no idea) look at the individual, not the relatives, to decide who would be a good trainer to ride with. Get references, go see the farm, etc. If you want to know more about Celebration Farm, or need general references in your area, making a separate post would be beneficial.
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I was gonna ask, are these all new horses or what? I guess we shall see when they enter the ringā¦
No relationship. Amyās maiden name was Towne, and she is a sweety. And ethical.
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They owned that horse for a little while, and KF would not have named it. And while Heidi could /should probably have found a different rider, her husband is seriously ill, and she probably had more important real world issues to deal with
That is too bad 
Because everyone who fails a drug test is obviously a cheaterā¦
https://nationalhbpa.com/an-in-depth-look-at-stall-contamination/
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I wouldnāt believe a word that the HPBA wrote on drugs and drug testing in horses. They have been fighting clean horses in racing for years. Their stance on drugs is quite similar to the NRAās stance on guns.
After all, the professional horsemen they represent are the ones doing the drugging in TB racing.
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This argument makes no physiological sense. 92% of dollar bills test positive for cocaine. Taking this at face value- and yet I not any of my colleagues have ever tested positive.
I guarantee you it would be easier for a human than a horse.
The possibility of environmental contamination is so pharmacologically far fetched I canāt believe you are justifying the possibility.
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So the evidence in the paper isnāt valid because it doesnāt align with your world viewā¦?
Or the evidence in the paper isnāt valid because it doesnāt align with your anecdotal experienceā¦?
Are you āpharmacologicallyā qualified to make this statement?
Your āguaranteeā is meaningless when it comes to my horses and USEF drug policies.
Iād ask why only people who already have racked up drug suspensions are the only ones coming up positive from this contamination, but I just canāt engage with someone who is uneducated on the subject and takes 1 possibly bias source as fact.
Carry on, BH.
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My education in general, and on the subject specifically, is more than sufficient to recognize the logical fallacies which appear rampant in your posts. But I digressā¦
Here is a person with no prior drug allegations or suspensions thatās being absolutely railroaded by the FEI: http://dressage-news.com/2017/11/17/costly-drawn-out-cases-over-usa-horses-horizon-don-principe-take-another-little-step-forward/
Not trying to stir the pot or show others in a negative light. Iām disputing your point that only repeat offenders are testing positive for cocaine. Please reference these articles about two other trainers whose horses tested positive this year. In both cases, the trainers received a financial penalty, but no suspension.
One trainer is quoted as saying: āMy parents bought their farm in 1952, and there hasnāt been one single drug infraction on my parents, sister or me in 65 years.ā
http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/renihan-and-lyerly-point-to-contamination-in-cocaine-positives
Also, hereās an article referencing a paper presented at the 2002 AAEP meeting, wherein they describe that environmental contamination can result in a positive test.
http://www.thehorse.com/articles/13567/aaep-2002-possible-environmental-sources-of-drug-positives
My point is that there are a lot of factors to considerā¦things are not black and whiteā¦and in my opinion it seems USE/F is doing their best to consider the totality of each individual situation.
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Iām not sure how that is relevant to the question of environmental contamination from cocaine. The case you reference involves an error by a feed company. Thereās no mystery as to how the drug got into the horse.
It is a good example of why there is value in having an appeals process.
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