And how exactly do you think that plays out…?
Just an FYI, we all know what you are up to. :lol:
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So now you’re omniscient with regard to my agenda as well?
For the record, other than mocking the CoTH Cabal, I have no agenda. Enlighten us…tell us all what I’m up to…
ETA: I do have another agenda. I want to ensure that if I, a family member, colleague, or fellow competitor, ever have to face a USEF drug enforcement action, that we will be treated fairly regarding culpability rather than simply be railroaded into accepting some punishment.
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You aren’t fooling anyone. :lol:
We all know you have better things to do with your time
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The ratemyhorsepro.com transcripts are of the USEF hearing, not the arbitration hearing. Apparently some evidence was found that was not presented to the USEF hearing committee. Unless the USEF or Glefke/Farmer decide to release just what that evidence was, we’ll never know why the lab screwed up so badly.
If you were faced with a positive A sample and had the opportunity to have the B sample tested by a different and independent lab, wouldn’t you? I think if one were to get the numbers the vast majority, almost to a diminishing point, would select to have an independent lab do the second test.
The USEF really, really needs to look at its lab personnel, because a corrupt one could do quite well. Even if nothing was dirty in this matter, the USEF needs to crack down hard on its lab people because of the mere possibility of corruption.
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Again, enlighten us.
Just providing the information from the rule book. Haven’t had to test the rule to see how it works.
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Quoting myself, and adding that proper chain of custody of samples and competent lab procedures should be a given in any National federation. Our USEF has been stunningly incompetent not only in testing and enforcement of horse doping but in educating its riders about the expectation that riders refrain from using banned substances themselves.
It seems that many riders are completely unaware that they ride under WADA restrictions regarding drugs that they ingest as well as the fact that a therapeutic use exemption (TUE) must be obtain if a banned substance is taken for medical purposes, not only for FEI competition but for USEF competition as well. (see Ocala Riders Drug Suspensions on the Eventing forum).
USEF makes the rider doping rules difficult to find on their website and seems to have completely failed to educate and test their competitors. The FEI caught our eventers breaking the doping rules, not USEF.
There is obviously a massive problem here and we can only hope that USEF will get on the ball very quickly. The FEI has now noticed that our riders are ignoring the doping rules and if USEF doesn’t clean things up quickly with its FEI riders, the FEI may do it for them.
Hunter riders may not be riding under FEI rules but they are, in USEF competitions, riding under USEF rules which include the WADA rules for rider doping. Of course USEF isn’t testing their riders, thus riders are able to break the human anti-doping rules with impunity.
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Is there somewhere in the last 26 pages a discussion of all the mishandling that has occurred with USEF samples. One might think that the Keystone Cops (ask your parents if you do not know who they are) are running the testing lab.
There was a case in which a lady was ‘caught’ using “Carolina Gold” (is that right?). She took the USEF to court and mishandling was also an issue (IIRC). And there have been other cases of mishandling in the last 10 years.
WTF is the USEF doing, using this lab? Saving money is certainly one of the things they are not doing.
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Given the very real possibility this could certainly happen, if it hasn’t already, the USE lab should be shut down completely. Just my opinion…
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Well, the suspension and fine have all been rescinded. So for me, the issue now is what are we paying all the drug fees for. If the results count for nothing, then they might just as well stop all the testing and let the cheaters cheat. At least, it wouldn’t cost us anything.
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I agree, why am I paying all these fees? I’m basically paying for drug testing for people that cheat and when they are caught they get off.
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This bears repeating.
Seriously, why? Proper handling of samples is the basics of “how not to invalidate your tests 101”.
I’d like to see an apology/explanation from our governing body as to why they have, yet again, failed to 1. take steps to keep a level playing field and 2. keep horse welfare a top priority. But I won’t hold my breath.
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Certainly don’t hold your breath.
Kelly Farmer conceded to the fact that Kodachrome was cocaine positive so she can’t blame the lab for that one.
Perhaps after this reversal though (even after choosing not to argue the fact and blaming the positive test on “the groom”) she will give it a go and try to have the cocaine suspension overturned as well.
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I’m not very knowledgeable in this whole drug “positive” topic with the USEF, but two questions came to mind in reading the issues surrounding the positive tests. I thought maybe some of the more connected/knowledgeable members of the forum could shed some light:
- Cocaine as I understand it s an illegal substance, shouldn’t the police or DEA have been engaged?
- Does the USEF ever randomly test for illegal substances of riders who’s horse’s who have tested positive to illegal substances such as cocaine? Or, random testing in general?
Appreciate the feedback.
The racetracks seem to have labs that get the tests done properly. I don’t recall maybe but one suspension that was overturned in many years
Maybe the USEF needs to get connected with ones the racing industry uses.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a class action lawsuit against the USEF from past people suspended.
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It’s coming. Multi-million I’d venture to say. This whole cluster muck is going to punish everyone but the actual cheaters.
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The DEA ought to have a stroll through show grounds with drug dogs since it’s such a “massive” problem with environmental contamination.
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Results of drug testing take a bit to be processed and then made public. How would you prove WHO had the coke and WHO administered it? Hell, knowing what I know, anybody at LCF could have hand fed that horse a treat, and he would be “contaminated” without intending to do it. NOT excusing it, but saying when you do bad st, bad st happens to you.
All drug testing for horses is random, no testing for riders. Given the amount of meds most people are on these days, it would be super cost prohibitive.IMO. And again, since you don’t get a result back for a while, how could you test the riders/owners/handlers of a positive horse?
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Meh. You’d even get fair treatment by the COTH Cabal if you had but one drug infraction. Heck, you’d fly right under the radar with that single problem. it happens all.the.time to people whose names you have never heard of. And we don’t skewer those folks here; we don’t even know who they are or talk about 'em.
IMO, Farmer et. al. and the USEF EARNED WHAT THEY GOT.
That said, I don’t know why 1. You conflate the random person with one possible drug infraction (though the vast majority of exhibitors go their whole careers with zero problems); and 2. You think that any honest player ought to take up the mission of defending the USEF and this BNT who seem to be in bed with one another. What Farmer gets is probably not what you or I would get… either in terms of a witch hunt (if you think that’s what the rabble here are doing) or a sweetheart deal. 3. Why this is the mountain on which anyone would choose to do battle. Pick a better, more honest player to defend in a drug infraction case if you want to find a nice “test case” for the USEF not being fair.
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