yeah, wouldn’t want to alert the poor dumb public to the actions of a professional crooked horse “trainer” particularly one who sells the duds, would we?
boys club!
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My vote for the goofiest “dog ate my legal brief” story of 2017… and let’s face it, this is a year with stiff competition.
Yeah, it’s totally believable that the Hearing Committee would suspend her for coming to a USEF hearing to which she had been summoned.
In case that wasn’t enough, you can enjoy the attorney’s comments on the COTH article. http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/kelley-farmer-suspended-for-kodachromes-positive-cocaine-test
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Oh , how silly and discouraging can it get?
Please excuse me for repeating this sentiment. I have nothing left but… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M
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not very classy or wise for her attorney to be posting things like that on facebook
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I love it!
Wow. Pretty remarkable. :eek:
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It actually makes a lot of sense to me that KF did not attend the hearing. The repeated excuses and claims of innocence and accusations of sabotage and maltreatment by others are wearing thin and I’m guessing would not have worked well in the setting of a legal hearing where actual evidence would have been requested and where she would have been under oath and subjected to a lot of probing questions. I think her chance of being caught in a lie or saying something else that would hurt her case was a lot higher than her chance of being able to present something that would help her case.
Lawyers in general are pretty savvy, so I feel pretty sure that if her lawyer thought she had anything useful to say to speak to her innocence he would have insisted that she attend. FWIW, even her lawyer did not claim innocence–their lawyer simply said that historically other people with the same infraction have been treated more leniently and said that the USEF has treated cocaine positives as environmental exposure.
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You’d think she could afford a better lawyer. You know, one that refrains from throwing temper tantrums online.
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Was it a legal hearing where people are under oath? Or just a USEF proceeding?
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@MHM According to USE, anyone testifying at a USE hearing is sworn in by a court reporter and testifies under oath.
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Interesting, thanks.
Interesting, Pappas’ Shamrock Farms filed fot bankruptcy in '16.
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It is not uncommon (speaking mostly of the racetrack) for a groom to have leftover coke under their fingernail and then expose the horse when bridling or hand mixing feed. I would think in this the case the blood concentration of coke should pinpoint whether this was intentional or accidental exposure, but I guess duration of time between exposure and when sample was taken would also effect the results.
I think a life time ban should come into play, that maybe would get people thinking.
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Didn’t hurt PV all that much…
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believe me, their sales are not what they used to be. Some people ARE taking note and shopping elsewhere.
Especially since at least a few well-known trainers have been known to get their Lane Change purchases home and find them to go 180 degrees differently than when they were tried at Larry and Kelley’s farm.
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What I don’t get is, even if someone is going to look at their horses (whether you (g) agree with that or not), why would they not pull blood and test the heck out of it? Knowing that they’ll risk it in competition where there can be consequences, what would stop them from giving the horse something before a trial ride? (Obviously, nothing if people are having these experiences post-purchase.)
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IF it is not uncommon for racetrack grooms to have enough coke under their fingernails to cause horses to test positive for the drug (which I don’t believe because I wasn’t born yesterday)
then I’m surprised that more race horses don’t test positive for cocaine and, if this was true, I would guess that trainers would stop employing coke users that can’t be bothered to wash their hands after using the banned and illegal drug that would cause the owner and trainer to lose money when disqualified for doping in a race.
I never had enough fingernail length when grooming horses to trap anything but dirt, which is cheap. I believe that cocaine isn’t cheap, is it? Do you honestly think that a groom would be snorting cocaine from their fingernails?
How is it that this “common” cocaine-under-the-fingernails-of-racetack-grooms-that- make-horses-test-positive-for-cocaine-issue seems at all believable to you? Do you actually know these grooms whose race horses in their charge have tested positive because of their coke riddled fingernails?
Of course if people choose to blame this doping on the groom they aren’t alone. Apparently “The Groom” is a convenient scapegoat that has been used by many others to explain their cocaine positive horses to USEF. Never any proof, only innuendo…
It is not acceptable to blame the groom when the trainer employs the groom and the groom has no chance to prove that they are not a cocaine snorting, dirty handed, miscreant.
Please, either we have clean sport or we continue to make excuses for the inexcusable. Period.
Cocaine doping of horses is a pathetic circumstance, made only more so when trainers try to blame the groom.
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So, I was sent this screenshot from a friend… it is Selma Garber who owns Mindful. I’ve attached the screenshot for your viewing pleasure. Sounds like the poor guy went through 3 weeks of detox when she moved him to another farm. If only you could get previous clients and owners to build a case against Larry and Kelley… Not sure what the outcome would be, but I bet there would be some pretty horrible stories to be told.
Also, I’m not friends with Kelley on FB so I couldn’t find this comment on her public posts (I think it was left on one of her posts, but not 100% sure). I imagine it would’ve been deleted either way by now.
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Most coke sold on the street has been stepped on so many times that it its anywhere from 3 or 4% pure to about 10-12% pure. It is cut with powdered laxative or powdered milk, whatever is handy. Still it can cause a human to have a heart attack or stay awake for all night. I’d worry that giving it to a horse would cause the horse to over react or over exert and end up dead.
It is not addictive. The next day you do not “come down” you just don’t have that pounding rapid heartbeat that you have with coke. It can cause a heart attack and it can cause you to stay up all night, in more ways than one. It’s dangerous if you do not know what you are doing and it can kill your horse… It stays in your system for hours and hours.
I agree with OP, you won’t find coke under someone’s fingernails, if any gets on a user’s fingers, it is licked off by the user.
Anyone who would give coke to a horse or any other animals should be banned for life.
Coca cola used to contain cocaine. That’s how it got the name. And coke used to be used to numb the eyes for eye surgery.
My observations and experiences are with snorting. If someone smokes coke (or meth) it’s a big downer and destruction of the brain cells. Never smoke coke or meth because then it is like heroin in its final effect.
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