That was my thought too. It reads more like the poster finds fault with everyone else who was involved.
Oh, of course, everyone else was at fault, and got away with it, because they have money, and poor, poor Kelsey- she was left holding the bag.:mad:
Get a grip. No one makes you into a lying sack of do-do. You do that to yourself. Kelsey created the mess that she is in. The take away is that she did horrible, despicable things that led to those horses dying an awful death.
Try and unring that damn bell.
My thought too. Not sure what the point of the “friends” post was…
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Oh, of course, everyone else was at fault, and got away with it, because they have money, and poor, poor Kelsey- she was left holding the bag.:mad:
Get a grip. No one makes you into a lying sack of do-do. You do that to yourself. Kelsey created the mess that she is in. The take away is that she did horrible, despicable things that led to those horses dying an awful death.
Try and unring that damn bell.[/QUOTE]
THIS exactly ^^
Some people never take responsibility for their actions - that is why they will never change. She made the CHOICE to lie and to kill.
This girl and everyone who knew what she was up to is a POS and I hope they get their too…
Friends of mine own a farm outside of Lancaster, PA and a boarder had a gorgeous thoroughbred mare who was a super nice riding horse, but was hot when she wasn’t ridden on a consitent basis! (She knew some dressage and could jump a 3’ course with ease)
Well, the boarder fell on hard times and couldnt afford to keep the horse anymore. She didn’t want to take the horse to a sale, as she loved the horse The farm owners agreed to keep the horse for free until she could sell her to a good home. Well, the boarder had no luck in selling her (She had her moments and since wasn’t being ridden consistently would spaz and scared everyone who came out to see her. The farm owners are in their 70s and the boarder was injured so there was no one really around to ride her like she needed.)So, after 3 months of no luck, the farm owners advised that they would put an ad in the local paper. So, they put a Free to good home ad in it and this young sweet girl called and said she was interested.
They were honest with her in that she needed an experienced rider and that if for some reason she couldn’t keep her- they would take her back. A good home was the main priority. This girl guaranteed a good home and she was looking for a project and this mare fit the bill.
They liked this girl and told her to come and see if she wanted the mare. The girl came out and they said she was young, sweet, cute and they knew she would provide an excellent home for the mare. They even asked her to sign a first right of refusal and no auction paper- which she did willingly.
FAST FORWARD 1 yr later. While on dreamhorse the farm owners see an ad for the mare with a new owners name listed. They contact the new owner, who informs them that about a year ago she was at New Holland and saw this gorgeous mare about to be sold for slaughter, so they outbid the kill buyer and got her. They love her, but she is way too much horse for them, but will keep her if they do not find a good home.
Needless to say the farm owners called the girl who took the mare inititally…and we all can guess who that girl was— KELSEY LEFEVER…
here is the conversation:
Farm Owner: Hi is Kelsey there?
Kelsey: Speaking
FO: This is the person that gave you Mare’s Name (Dont want to say name) about a year ago. We were curious how she is doing?
Kelsey: Oh we just love her. She is such a nice riding horse. In fact, as I am talking to you I am looking at her right in the field.
FO: YOU LYING B*TCH. I KNOW WHAT YOU DID. YOU TOOK OUR MARE STRAIGHT TO NEW HOLLAND AND SOLD HER…
CLICK… Kelsey hung up.
The Farm owner continued to call only to get her voicemail, but did leave some nasty messages and told her what she thought of her. The number was then disconnected. Didn’t matter- whats done was done. Thankfully this mare ended up with a home.
But when the Farm owner just found out about the charges against Kelsey- she was so thrilled because they were a victim of her fraud. This poor 70 yr old couple thought they were doing right by believing this girl and instead almost had the horse slaughtered unknowingly and they had paperwork signed too…
I hope she rots in hell!!
You reap what you sow. I do believe that justice will find Ms. Kelsey.
Nyminute09 - can’t you just picture that scene? I bet she crapped herself when she figured out who was calling. I am trying to not make a judgment but 99% of me thinks she’s a complete white trash POS and deserves a long prison term - which she won’t get. But maybe a ruined reputation and never being able to work in the horse industry again is a better punishment than prison.
That’s some story. I hope it can be used in court against the wicked witch! :mad: She so young to rot in jail for years, so lets hope she wastes her best years rotting in jail. She deserves it.
NYMINUTE09…do NOT simply post your story/complaint here. That serves NO useful function or purpose.
Rather than simply use this Board to share your complaint/story, you should contact Trooper Colleen J. Shelly, who is the affiant on the warrant/complaint against LeFever & is currently working at the PA State Police Academy, Bureau of Training & Education, Professional Development Section, at 717-533-9111 (you will have to ask to speak with Trooper Shelly).
You should recount your story & be prepared to provide her with the details & any surviving documentation from the incident & fraud apparently perpetrated upon you by LeFever (& her confederates).
The current warrant alleges only 5 counts of deceptive business practices & fraud. Yet LeFever herself has admitted up to 120 possible cases.
We need more people who were victims to come forward to the State Police–for the sake of the murdered horses whom LeFever & her confederates betrayed.
Regarding the issue raised above, that is, why were those who cooperated & otherwise aided & abetted LeFever in the repeated commission of her lethal deceptions & fraud…
…not named in a warrant (& subject to felony charges & prosecution):
Well, I have commented previously about that–& was treated to a chorus of ad hominem attacks (some called me a “zealot”, among other things.
A reminder: Certain individuals who worked with LeFever or in some way were a part of LeFever’s deadly game of deception…
…were identified & named in documents that have been circulated in the press & on various Blog & other Web sites (& reported by journalists who vetted the sources).
One such individual claims total innocence & completely disavows any knowledge of LeFever’s chronic deception & repeated fraud—& claims to have had absolutely no basis on which to have any concerns or questions about LeFever’s “business” model and/or practices.
By press & other accounts, LeFever struggled financially & I find it hard to believe that anyone who had any ongoing interaction with her–particularly someone who markets herself as a “professional” & ethical horsewoman who makes a “living” (now there’s a jarring juxtaposition) buying & selling horses (apparently regarding & treating them as mere chattel)…
…would not have had some level of concern or skepticism about LeFever & her “business” activities.
One does not need to make a “living” buying & selling horses to observe others who do it & make inquiries into & about that person & their buying & selling activities.
It is enough, I have found, to spend time around barns, horses, those who care & “own” horses, equestrian competitions & other events–let alone attend the horror of the auctions at New Holland,…
…to gather information, learn, & draw tentative conclusions about those who profess to make a “living” buying & selling horses & their behavior.
My point (in all of the above): There were certainly others involved in LeFever’s deadly deception & fraud–& they know who they are.
However, PA law enforcement & prosecutors have determined that at this time they are NOT in a position to file criminal charges against them.
However, this does NOT mean that those who were involved but not named in criminal warrants were not “guilty” or morally culpable.
I put a call into my friends and left a voicemail to call me regarding Kelsey. I am hoping they agree to contact Trooper Shelley, because you are right- the more concrete evidence they can rack up against her- the better the case will be!
I will update once I talk to them… Thanks for the contact information- I know they wouldn’t know who to speak with!
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NYMINUTE09…do NOT simply post your story/complaint here. That serves NO useful function or purpose.
Rather than simply use this Board to share your complaint/story, you should contact Trooper Colleen J. Shelly, who is the affiant on the warrant/complaint against LeFever & is currently working at the PA State Police Academy, Bureau of Training & Education, Professional Development Section, at 717-533-9111 (you will have to ask to speak with Trooper Shelly).
You should recount your story & be prepared to provide her with the details & any surviving documentation from the incident & fraud apparently perpetrated upon you by LeFever (& her confederates).
The current warrant alleges only 5 counts of deceptive business practices & fraud. Yet LeFever herself has admitted up to 120 possible cases.
We need more people who were victims to come forward to the State Police–for the sake of the murdered horses whom LeFever & her confederates betrayed.
Regarding the issue raised above, that is, why were those who cooperated & otherwise aided & abetted LeFever in the repeated commission of her lethal deceptions & fraud…
…not named in a warrant (& subject to felony charges & prosecution):
Well, I have commented previously about that–& was treated to a chorus of ad hominem attacks (some called me a “zealot”, among other things.
A reminder: Certain individuals who worked with LeFever or in some way were a part of LeFever’s deadly game of deception…
…were identified & named in documents that have been circulated in the press & on various Blog & other Web sites (& reported by journalists who vetted the sources).
One such individual claims total innocence & completely disavows any knowledge of LeFever’s chronic deception & repeated fraud—& claims to have had absolutely no basis on which to have any concerns or questions about LeFever’s “business” model and/or practices.
By press & other accounts, LeFever struggled financially & I find it hard to believe that anyone who had any ongoing interaction with her–particularly someone who markets herself as a “professional” & ethical horsewoman who makes a “living” (now there’s a jarring juxtaposition) buying & selling horses (apparently regarding & treating them as mere chattel)…
…would not have had some level of concern or skepticism about LeFever & her “business” activities.
One does not need to make a “living” buying & selling horses to observe others who do it & make inquiries into & about that person & their buying & selling activities.
It is enough, I have found, to spend time around barns, horses, those who care & “own” horses, equestrian competitions & other events–let alone attend the horror of the auctions at New Holland,…
…to gather information, learn, & draw tentative conclusions about those who profess to make a “living” buying & selling horses & their behavior.
My point (in all of the above): There were certainly others involved in LeFever’s deadly deception & fraud–& they know who they are.
However, PA law enforcement & prosecutors have determined that at this time they are NOT in a position to file criminal charges against them.
However, this does NOT mean that those who were involved but not named in criminal warrants were not “guilty” or morally culpable.[/QUOTE]
Thank you so much everyone who has posted on this thread. Wow - what a tough case and so hard (for me at least) to be unbiased. Would appeciate any further comments, both pro and con. I don’t know Kelsey and of course being the opinionated person that I am, I have opinions, but I do welcome other points of view - from those who knew her and those that did not. Everyone’s opinion matters even if everyone does not agree.
Faverot, out of interest - I assume you have some stake in this case, more than just horses were slaughtered, as there are cruelty/abuse cases daily. These are the only posts you have on this board, and although I am newish here you have quite the unique way of expressing yourself, which leads me to think that you are local or know Kelsey or the horses in some way. As you are asking everyone else to share their info, I am interested to know why this case in particular is pushing your buttons so much?
You are correct her hearing was rescheduled for the 21st, but that will only be a preliminary hearing, so you will not be getting any of the answers that you are looking for on that date.
My personal opinion is that Kelsey’s guilt or innocence is yet to be determined, it’s right that we should get our day in court and not just be accused of something. Until she is convicted of something (which she might well be) she is legally innocent.
I also believe that others will have shadows cast on them, and I hope that more charges will come for other people. I think it was smart for Melissa to bow out of this conversation, and not smart for her to get involved at all - but we shall see. And she is not the only one.
She may be technically innocent in the courts till PROVEN guilty but if she actually admitted guilt on 120 counts then I have no problem calling a spade a spade.
I live about 30 minutes from Honeybrook and about 40 from New Holland and I consider myself local. I do have a vested interest since I have horses and have to be careful about creeps that would steal them or give them to someone. I did give my horses to someone so I’m just glad it wasn’t her. I have a contract and visit them and it’s a free lease, not ownership.
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Thank you so much everyone who has posted on this thread. Wow - what a tough case and so hard (for me at least) to be unbiased. Would appeciate any further comments, both pro and con. I don’t know Kelsey and of course being the opinionated person that I am, I have opinions, but I do welcome other points of view - from those who knew her and those that did not. Everyone’s opinion matters even if everyone does not agree.[/QUOTE]
Opinions!? Well you’ve certainly come to the right place :lol::lol::lol:
Well, I think we’ve about played out this thread. Moderators - I think it might be time for the last rites.
Kelsey - we will see what happens in court, but frankly - I am hoping karma comes back to bite you in the ass, and that you never are allowed to work with horses again - ever in your lifetime. Kinda hoping I can make sure that happens. Best of luck to ya!
We certainly should wait for court appearance on 21st and any further rulings could potentially be Land Marks’s for future cases…
It still bugs me that Mark Bliss is being called a victim in this case. Heck all she did was save him the trouble of killing the horse himself assuming he couldn’t find someone to scam in the process of getting rid of him.
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/kelsey-lefever-every-one-of-them-is-dead/
“Lefever was released on $20,000 bail and is awaiting a Feb. 6 preliminary hearing in Dauphin County District Court.”
I’m sure this is not the only wolf in sheeps clothing out there. A few years ago there was a girl Lacey going to racing barns, even Fair Hill, saying she was an event rider looking for horses. She looked the part and people gave her horses. She picked them up in her trailer, layed them over at a friends farm until New Holland and then brought them over and sold them. I heard about this a few years later, maybe she stopped when people started checking tattoos and no slaughter policies came about.
The girl is still around because a little over a year ago a friend of mine sent me a picture of a horse someone paid her to retrain as a hunter/jumper to resell for them. The race owners were really concerned about the horse finding a good home and paid her a day rate. They were told a few months later that they better go to the farm in PA and check the horse and bring a trailer. The horse was totally emaciated and looked close to death, ever bone in his back was sticking out. The guy had to physically fight her boyfriend to get his horse on the trailer and out of there.
Yesterday I got a message from someone in Pa, about a TB that was given away under false pretenses. The man that now owned the horse refused at first because the young woman showed up with a craptastic rusted out trailer, he wanted to see pictures of where the horse would be kept. She took pics of another persons farm that was nice, and he let her come back to take the horse. The reality of that horses new home sounds like a nightmare.
I got the horses name (nice old hardknocking horse), and found the last trainer/owner on record from 3 yrs ago when this horse was retired. I called him to let him know what was going on. He only knew the guy he gave the horse to by his first name. From that we were actually able to track down the guy that had the horse, told him what happened and today he went and got his horse. He says he will keep this horse forever. I also offered help if he ever needed to rehome him again.
They are still out there all right, hopefully when Kelsey gets locked up it will make others think twice…but probably not.
Is today the pre trial hearing?
