Knabstruppers

[Pendragon]

That might matter to people that have likes or dislikes about abbreviations in horse papers.

I personally see it a lot simpler: I breed horses and not numbers.

And in Europe it is quite common to have breed associations holding books for several breeds. These associations were not historically bound to a certain region (as you have it with associations for Hanoverians, Westphalians, etc.; as all this changed recently it is even more confusing with nearly all of these associations actually breeding a Warmblood Sporthorse…).

[RiverOaksFarm]

That might matter to people that have likes or dislikes about abbreviations in horse papers.

It matters a great deal to some people. And I think it’s great that some people take great pride in their breed and their registry. But we don’t all have to agree

[Pendragon]

Oh, I am pretty sure that every single Knabstrupper breeder is proud of breeding Knabstruppers. And this is what they are registered as - may it be in the KNN or the RPSI. As RPSI has its origin in RPS, Germany and, therefore, has to follow the European regulations, their Knabstrupper studbook is set up following the rules of the motherbook association being the KNN.

And, again, to make it quite clear: No, RPSI registered Knabstruppers are not Zweibrueckers, but Knabstruppers and this is exactly, what is stated in their papers issued by RPSI.

I see you have made your point and I do accept such thinking indeed, but in case of Knabstruppers and their registration either with KNN or RPSI or both I do also see that several U.S. Knabstrupper breeders stated quite clearly their experience: there is no difference.

[Cataluna]

While we’re on the subject of Knabs and registries, I do have a question for your Knabstrupper gurus…

I have a filly here who I’m curious about getting approved, although I’m not clear about acceptable outcrosses or how this would all work. She’s a 2011 Hanoverian x Appaloosa (Royal Senna/Rubinstein I, out of a Plaudit bred mare), pretty fancy, very correct, will be BIG, nice colour, great brain. Would she be eligible for any kind of registration or approvals with any of these registries?

[Donatella]

Will someone remind me how to read a UELN# to know country, registry, and breed?

[belambi]

http://www.ueln.net/ueln-presentation/rules-of-attribution-of-the-ueln/

http://www.ueln.net/ueln-code-database/

[Melyni]

I guess I am one of those…

[QUOTE=Cataluna;5947039]
While we’re on the subject of Knabs and registries, I do have a question for your Knabstrupper gurus…

I have a filly here who I’m curious about getting approved, although I’m not clear about acceptable outcrosses or how this would all work. She’s a 2011 Hanoverian x Appaloosa (Royal Senna/Rubinstein I, out of a Plaudit bred mare), pretty fancy, very correct, will be BIG, nice colour, great brain. Would she be eligible for any kind of registration or approvals with any of these registries?[/QUOTE]

IF she had a foal by an approved Knabstrupper stallion then you could present both mare and foal to the KNN. The mare will get a grade/score, and foal might well be accepted into the Appendix stud book . Maybe as an F2 horse IF you had proof of parentage from the Hannoverian side. if you did not then it would be registered as an F1 horse in the same Appendix stud book.

The don’t register horses unless they have one Knabstrupper parent, so they won’t register the mare, but her foals (by a Knabstrupper) will be.

Hope this makes sense.
MW

[Bacardi1]

[QUOTE=Cataluna;5947039]
While we’re on the subject of Knabs and registries, I do have a question for your Knabstrupper gurus…

I have a filly here who I’m curious about getting approved, although I’m not clear about acceptable outcrosses or how this would all work. She’s a 2011 Hanoverian x Appaloosa (Royal Senna/Rubinstein I, out of a Plaudit bred mare), pretty fancy, very correct, will be BIG, nice colour, great brain. Would she be eligible for any kind of registration or approvals with any of these registries?[/QUOTE]

No - she can’t be approved as a Knabstrupper. Knabstrupper is a breed, not just a color, & a Hanoverian x Appaloosa cross does not a Knabstrupper make.

But as mentioned previously, you “might” be able to get a foal produced by her registered if she was bred to a Knabstrupper stallion.

[Cataluna]

Thank you! I figured as much. Still a few years to go before considering any breeding, but that’s probably the route I’ll take.

This is the filly:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/Randelle/DSCN7655.jpg

[RiverOaksFarm]

Will someone remind me how to read a UELN# to know country, registry, and breed?

The first three #'s are the country, the second three #'s are the registry, the remaining nine #'s are the horse’s registration #. If the registration # is less than 9 digits, there will be 0’s in front of it so that it totals 9 digits.

For example, my stallion’s UELN is 840039020037001. From this you can tell he’s USA 840 and registered with the Friesian Sporthorse Association 039 followed by a 0 and then his registration # (which also happens to include his birth year.)

The breed isn’t implicitly stated via the UELN – in other words there is no digit that means “Trakehner” or “Friesian” or “Knabstrupper” – but you can generally deduce the breed based on the registry. Less so in some areas of Germany however, if I’m understanding Pendragon’s posts correctly.

I’m not sure what the #'s are for the KNN and the RPSI…

[darkhorse2572]

[QUOTE=Cataluna;5947762]
Thank you! I figured as much. Still a few years to go before considering any breeding, but that’s probably the route I’ll take.

This is the filly:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/Randelle/DSCN7655.jpg[/QUOTE]

She is lovely!

[Melyni]

Well one joy of Knabstruppers

is that they are pretty distinctive. So should one get to International Competition it sure will stand out!
MW

[belambi]

Statistically, Knabstruppers are one the most succesful breed in the word at FEI Para equestrian, ie, per capita of those competing, they win alot of medals!!

[KnightEquine]

Another Registration question

I wholeheartedly agree Melyni- I wouldn’t ride anything but a Knabbie and mine is still too young to ride!!!

Okay, So I know this thread is a bit old but I have a question that just might fit here so here goes.

My 2009 filly is Main book registered with the KNN if I bred her to a RPSI or Zfpd stallion would the resulting foal be eligible with the KNN and would she need outcross approval for her to do so? (Since I can go RPSI it doesn’t matter all that much but I really want to support the KNN by having the resulting foal inspected with them.)

Similarly, For acceptable outcross mares bred to Knabstrupper stallions outside the KNN (but approved with another registry) would the resulting foal be eligible with the KNN or would RPSI be the only option?

Side note: Since it is a separate book does the RPSI brand them with the K?

and since we are talking about Knabstrupper and Registries Knabbie owners should check out the Knabstrupper Club it a breed communityfor the promotion the breed and supporting Knabstrupper owners/breeders.

[Nootka]

Judy Yancy now have frozen from this stallion

http://yanceyfarms-news.blogspot.com/2011/11/for-knabstrupper-afficianados-out-there.html?spref=fb

Anyone know him?

[Melyni]

The stallion has to be KNN approved

[QUOTE=KnightEquine;5990825]
I wholeheartedly agree Melyni- I wouldn’t ride anything but a Knabbie and mine is still too young to ride!!!

Okay, So I know this thread is a bit old but I have a question that just might fit here so here goes.

My 2009 filly is Main book registered with the KNN if I bred her to a RPSI or Zfpd stallion would the resulting foal be eligible with the KNN and would she need outcross approval for her to do so? (Since I can go RPSI it doesn’t matter all that much but I really want to support the KNN by having the resulting foal inspected with them.)

Similarly, For acceptable outcross mares bred to Knabstrupper stallions outside the KNN (but approved with another registry) would the resulting foal be eligible with the KNN or would RPSI be the only option?

Side note: Since it is a separate book does the RPSI brand them with the K?

and since we are talking about Knabstrupper and Registries Knabbie owners should check out the Knabstrupper Club it a breed communityfor the promotion the breed and supporting Knabstrupper owners/breeders.[/QUOTE]

or you won’t get a passport from KNN. If the stallion is RPSI approved you cna get a passport from RPSI. ZfDP are another problem since they don’t do inspections outside of Germany. I am not sure if RPSI will issue a passport on a ZfDP stallion’s offspring.

So mares are easy, but stallions are more difficult. Best to check BEFORE you breed to that stallion, where his offspring are registered and whether or not he has approval.
MW

[aurum]

ZfDP is a valid Breed Association in Germany and a stallion inspected and approved by them will be accepted with RPSI too. But as Melyni said you should check before breeding IF the stallion is truly approved.

[KnightEquine]

Okay so to clarify, providing the mare is approved with the KNN:

-bred to a KNN approved stallion the foal obviously is eligible KNN but if inspected RPSI will also be put in the KNN book as well as the RPSI knabstrupper book?

-If bred to RPSI approved stallion (for example I believe the Helios of Independence & Morpheus G are approved through them) the foals only option would be RPSI because the stallions aren’t considered an outcross and are therefore ungraded knabstruppers in the eyes of the KNN while the RPSI recognizes them (or there parents) under other Knabstrupper Registries.

-If bred to Zfpd approved Stallion (like for example Hussar of Independence) the foal is eligible for RPSI as it falls under the German umbrella.

But most importantly make sure the stallion is IN FACT Approved and when in doubt check with the breeder and or the registry he is approved under.

[Nootka]

Are there any Dilute Knabs in the USA. Stallion prospects or mares?

[KnightEquine]

Not that I know of, I believe that Ares of Baroque-n-Dreams is a Knabstrupper and he is a palomino but I believe he has been gelded. Aurum might have a few but she is in Germany so . . .