Kristen Lindsey update

Oh boy turns out at least according to KM one of her employers may not have been unaware of her killing Tiger and by her testimony sanctioned what she did and how she did it.

https://www.facebook.com/tigersjusticeteamnews/posts/1731829683770628:0

This is the pertinent part of the post. The conversation is part of the court records which are available online.

Please take a minute to read some excerpts from Kristen Lindsey’s deposition. It is plain to see that much more information needs to come to light. Recently filed SOAH document No. 34 (PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO RESPONDENT’S OPPOSITION TO CONTINUANCE) provides a glimpse into previously undisclosed aspects of the case. The vet board’s attorney states:
“Petitioner’s Requests for Disclosures asked Respondent to disclose the names of all persons having knowledge of the relevant facts of the case, and a brief statement of each identified person’s connection with the case. Respondent provided only a list of names, with no statement of the witness’s connections to the case. At Respondent’s deposition on February 9, 2016, she testi?ed that Karen Chapman overheard a conversation between Respondent and Dr. Buenger the day before Respondent killed the cat. Respondent testified that during that conversation, Dr. Buenger instructed her to kill the cat.” Despite Petitioner’s requests, Petitioner was not informed of Ms. Chapman’s involvement with this case until February 9, 2016, which was the last day of the discovery period. Respondent intends to offer Ms. Chapman as a witness at the hearing, Petitioner is entitled to additional time to investigate Ms. Chapman’s and Dr. Buenger’s involvement in this case."
The following excerpts from Lindsey’s deposition testimony underscore our reasons for concern.
“Q. When did you first talk with Dr. Buenger about the cat?
A. Tuesday, April 14th.
Q. What was that conversation?
A. I asked him if he had noticed a feral orange tomcat coming to his property, he said, “Yes.” I asked if it was his cat, he said, “No.” I asked if it was anybody else’s cat, he said, “Not that I am aware of.” I said, “What do you want to do about it?” He said, “Take care of it.”
Q. Did he explain what he meant by “Take care of it”?
A. I knew what he meant by “take care of it.”
Q. What did you think he meant?
A. By “taking care of it,” he meant, get rid of it, make it not be a problem.
Q. Did –
A. He did discuss his concern of rabies with feral tomcats, he said, “We don’t need them around.”
Q. So does “take care of it” mean kill it?
A. In that context, yes.
Q. When did you first talk to Dr. Buenger about the cat after the killing?
A. I sent him a text message Wednesday evening.
(Deposition Exhibit No. 9 marked.)
Q. Let’s take a look at Exhibit DP-9, which you provided for us today.
A. Yes.
Q. Is this —- do you recognize this?
A. Yes.
Q. Is this a true and correct copy of the text messages that you exchanged with Dr. Buenger?
A. Yes.
Q. So the second conversation that you have here —— so the first conversation took place on, says, “April 15th, at 7:51 p.m.,” text from you —— “well, made my first bow” –
A. Yeah.
Q. —— “kill and got rid of the tomcat tonight;” is that right?
A. Yes.
Q. And he replied, “Sweet.”
A. Yes.
[page break]
Q. Who is Karen Chapman?
A. She is my previous technician from Washington Animal Clinic.
Q. Is she still employed there?
A. No.
Q. Why not?
A. She took a job at Texas A&M.
Q. When did that happen?
A. In May, June, sometime in the summer, early summer, I would say.
Q. May or June of 2015?
A. Yeah. That could be wrong. Sometime in the summer.
Q. How was she involved in this case?
A. She witnessed the conversation between myself and Dr. Buenger on Tuesday, April 14th, in the clinic.
Q. Did she participate in the conversation?
A. No.
Q. Just to clarify, when you say she witnessed the conversation between you and Dr. Buenger on the 14th,are you referring to the conversation when you informed him there was a tomcat on your property?
A. Yes.
Q. Take a look at Question No. 5 now, which I don’t have it in front of me, but I believe it asks for any communications between you, Dr. Buenger, Dr. Wunderlich, or any other employees of the Washington Animal Clinic. Did you search for responsive communications?
A. Yes.
Q. How did you do your search?
A. The only communications would have been on my phone or via email. The only email I received wasn’t about the cat incident but was about my termination, So that’s the only email I had of the entire incident. As far as phone conversations, I had my previous phone, which was broken. I had to go get the screen replaced in order to search for the communication Dr. Buenger and I had had.
Q. Okay.
A. So I searched for text messages with the others, which I did not have any conversation via text or email from anybody else.
Q. And have you produced the email that terminated you, yet?
A. No.
Q. Will you do that?
A. Yes.”
To clarify the significance of the preceding testimony: Karen Chapman was employed at the clinic where Lindsey worked, while Dr. Bruce Buenger was Lindsey’s employer and landlord at the time of Tiger’s killing.

Well I did feel sorry for the Washington Clinic and the abuse they got. Now not so much. Hopefully the public hearing will get everything out into the open.

Um … so, what is this about?

The vet who shot her neighbor’s cat with a bow and arrow and posted it to facebook. Proud that she was getting rid of the stray cats in the neighborhood. Later said that she killed it because she thought it was rabid, but it later fell apart on her.

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Um … so, what is this about?[/QUOTE]

http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?465052-Veterinarian-Proudly-Shows-Off-Cat-She-Killed

That is just sick. Thanks for the update, paks. Poor Tiger… :frowning:

And lest we forget, this was NOT a stray but a neighbor’s pet. Sick people that should both have their veterinary liscenses revoked.

Thank you for this update. This story gave me nightmares. That monster should never have access to animals again.

Just APPALLING!!!

Hear is a link to Kristen Lindsey’s testimony to SOAH. https://www.facebook.com/VINNewsService/videos This is the next step in trying to get her license revoked since she refused to accept the TVME board’s ruling.

and a link to a nice summation by a lawyer of what went on yesterday.

https://www.facebook.com/tigersjusticeteamnews/posts/1753707418249521:0

Other than discovering that her boss had some inkling that she was asked/told to ‘get rid of’ the cat and perhaps that it may not be done in a humane fashion [ie the boss Vet is complicit], what does it matter what her boss said/did?
If he told her to jump off a cliff, would she?

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Other than discovering that her boss had some inkling that she was asked/told to ‘get rid of’ the cat and perhaps that it may not be done in a humane fashion [ie the boss Vet is complicit], what does it matter what her boss said/did?
If he told her to jump off a cliff, would she?[/QUOTE]

Believe me her defense has been floundering all over the place. It’s just chaff. They even filed suit again the TBVME claiming they didn’t have jurisdiction and tried to get this hearing delayed until that case was decided. (she still has her license until all the final adjudication)

Right now they have a vet who is a feline expert testifying that the cat was Tiger and Tiger was alive when the photo was taken.

Wasn’t Tiger in a leg trap when she shot him, or am I remembering wrong?

But I remember for sure Lindsey writing, “Pshaw, of course I’m not fired, I’m awesome!” on her FB page as the news of the atrocity was breaking. Narcissistic and antisocial behavior.

ETA: And of course her comments with the original photo, that she’s proudly accepting the vet of the year award, and the only good tomcat is one with an arrow through it’s [sic] head.

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Wasn’t Tiger in a leg trap when she shot him, or am I remembering wrong?

But I remember for sure Lindsey writing, “Pshaw, of course I’m not fired, I’m awesome!” on her FB page as the news of the atrocity was breaking. Narcissistic and antisocial behavior.

ETA: And of course her comments with the original photo, that she’s proudly accepting the vet of the year award, and the only good tomcat is one with an arrow through it’s [sic] head.[/QUOTE]There was speculation that the cat had been in a leg trap but based on the photo but not enough evidence to back it up. If you believe Lindsey he shot the cat from over 60 ft away. But she thought it was a stray before she shot it because it smelled bad. Though in previous testimony which they had her read she was always 30 to 40 yards away from the cat. Guess she’s part blood hound.

It’s fun watching the videos she also claims that domestic cats are always friendly and don’t fight. Guess Jackson Galaxy is out of a job now. And she claimed Tiger was defecating in her horse feed. I’ve had barn cats in my barn for over 30 years have never seen that.

I can hardly read over the details of the case without feeling sick to my stomach. Lindsey is a sick individual (I can’t call her a person) for sure. I hope her veterinary license is revoked permanently.

Paks, thank you so much for keeping us updated on this case.

I was reading a vet column about the case, and whether she should ever be forgiven and, if so, if there was ever any way she could redeem herself so as to deserve a second chance in the profession. The author has a therapy background, and is interested in posing moral questions that shoot back toward the accuser. I see her point (especially in today’s online mob world) but strongly disagree that she deserves to work in the field, whatever her personal journey includes. Everyone sees doors slam shut in their lives, sometimes based on choices and actions we make and sometimes just based on random chance. Medical care of any living being should be one of those doors for Lindsey. A waste of her education and skills? Sure. That’s on her.

http://news.vin.com/VINNews.aspx?articleId=36655

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I was reading a vet column about the case, and whether she should ever be forgiven and, if so, if there was ever any way she could redeem herself so as to deserve a second chance in the profession. The author has a therapy background, and is interested in posing moral questions that shoot back toward the accuser. I see her point (especially in today’s online mob world) but strongly disagree that she deserves to work in the field, whatever her personal journey includes. Everyone sees doors slam shut in their lives, sometimes based on choices and actions we make and sometimes just based on random chance. Medical care of any living being should be one of those doors for Lindsey. A waste of her education and skills? Sure. That’s on her.

http://news.vin.com/VINNews.aspx?articleId=36655[/QUOTE]

I read that post and wonder what Dr Gaspar would say now a year later from when she wrote it.

Several things have happened. Kristen Lindsey has shown herself to be a a liar who have no problem lying under oath and doesn’t bother to keep her lies straight. She shot the cat because it appeared rabid. When the question of if she thought it was rabid why didn’t she send it to the state lab as is required by law. It’s well she didn’t really think it was rabid but it might have been. In her deposition she said she never got closer than 30 to 40 yards to the Tiger. The she claims in her testimony at SOAH to have gotten as close as 20 yards.

She stated under oath she sees nothing wrong with shooting feral cats (a felony under Texas state law) When asked if she felt all feral cats should be killed she said no litters of kittens could be turned into pets.

Lindsey at the start of the testimony stated that she was unemployable. A Dr Paul Smith who testified on her behalf was asked if KL worked for him. He said he hadn’t seen her since July. Which really doesn’t answer the question because if he works for him as a relief vet (as is thought to be the case) they would most likely keep in contact by phone not face to face

Lindsey continually asserted the cat she shot was thin smelly, full of fleas and had a bad fur coat.

One of the experts testifying was Dr. Bill Folger whose credentials you can see on this link http://www.catdoctors.cc/p/veterinarian/veterinarians_9258/houston-tx-77024/memorial-cat-hospital-9258

He verified that the cat KL held up was Tiger, that he was nuetered, and that he was alive at the time the picture was taken. He also stated the cat in the photo with KL was of good weight and had a good quality of fur.

Now we have a case in Fauquier county where a hunter shot a dog and was convicted of a felony. He was a chiropractor and by all accounts will loose his license as a result even though he doesn’t work with animals.
A vet has access to controlled substances. That alone means they need to be trustworthy and have good judgement. From what I have seen KL has shown that her judgement continues to be poor. She has no regrets for what she did other than that she is experiences the consequences for her actions.
So I really wonder what Dr Gasper would say now.

As far as KL being a meat inspector as Dr. Gasper mentioned. Naahhh not going to happen. USDA employees, now have to pass a background check.

June 10th is when the written summations are due. Can’t wait to see how KL’s lawyer tries to keep claiming it wasn’t cruel, it wasn’t Tiger, and it has nothing to do with her being a vet. It should test his creative writing skills.

Lindsey’s veterinary license has been revoked. It appears she plans to appeal.

http://3dprintinghome.net/veterinary-board-decision-license-texas-vet-killed-cat-arrow-revoked/

There is one thing I forgot. Kristen Lindsey’s lawyer quizzed every one of the witnesses including KL on if they received training on social media as part of their veterinary training. I guessing part of his written summation will be that it’s unfair to expect KL to know there are consequences for posting something publicly. And therefore it’s okay that she broke the law. I am so looking forward to reading that thing.

I don’t know of any profession that gets training on social media, except maybe a communications-type job. This woman is a grown-up, a doctor, who obviously is smart enough to get through vet school. Does she really need training to learn that posting pictures of your illegal actions is stupid? She knew that what she did was illegal because in order to get her license in TX, she had to pass a state exam on laws. She doesn’t get a break because she wasn’t “trained.” No vets are trained, and they don’t put dumb sh!t stuff on Facebook that can make them lose their license.

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There is one thing I forgot. Kristen Lindsey’s lawyer quizzed every one of the witnesses including KL on if they received training on social media as part of their veterinary training. I guessing part of his written summation will be that it’s unfair to expect KL to know there are consequences for posting something publicly. And therefore it’s okay that she broke the law. I am so looking forward to reading that thing.[/QUOTE]

That’s interesting.
It came to my attention this week there was an NFL hopeful who was supposed to be the 1st pick who went like WAY later… because a video surfaced of him smoking weed.
Of course the uproar is not that he did the deed, but that someone ‘hacked’ his twitter or whatever and posted the video to begin with.

How do we make this generation more responsible for their actions if we excuse the behavior simply because of the method of their ‘outing’?