KWPN dressage stud with good frozen semen & excellent temperament

[sfstable]

Take a look at our stallion, Richard. He has met all the KWPN requirements and is approved as a Erkend stallion. His foals from approved mares receive Register A papers and do not need to meet any further requirements for stud book entry at 3 years old. I believe he is the only NA Erkend stallion that has met all of the requirements to date. His KWPN page: http://kwpn-na.org/stallions/details.php?unid=791&catid=81

His first/only crop in Europe has offspring that have shown and are being shown in jumping, dressage and eventing. His first full US crop is 2011. He stands 17 hh. He produces excellent temperament and consistent type in his offspring. You can find photos on his website or facebook page listed in my signature. Video on our YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/seafiresporthorses

He will be available with both fresh cooled and frozen semen contract in 2014.

[Ysabel]

A few questions for the original poster . . .
1)are you sure foals from this mare can get VB papers even when she’s bred to an approved Dutch stallion? This mare is by Odilon, who is NOT approved Dutch. What is the mare’s birth registry? The link you provided said she is Oldenburg. I am assuming she is GOV registered since Kathleen bred her? I would just double check with the KPWN office on the registration possibilities for her foals.

Already done. They told me KWPN stallion crossed with her would give me VB foals.

2)If Olivia is GOV registered, why not consider a GOV stallion? This would open up a lot more stallion choices for you.

The nearest GOV inspection is over 10 hours away and I was told by the GOV registry that foals must be inspected to be registered (not keen to haul a 5 month old foal that far) - I was pretty discouraged when I found this out. I was even more discouraged when I found out that she was not eligible for Hanoverian inspection since those are held within 10 minutes of my farm.

But KWPN inspections are also held in my area and they were so great with helping me that I am happy to go with them.

3)Stud fee seems to be a big concern for you. The stud fee is by the far the cheapest part about breeding. I wouldn’t cheap out on the stud fee. Pick the stallion that best compliments your mare. If you can’t afford a $2000 stud fee, are you sure can afford to breed? You can quickly burn through a LOT of money if the mare or foal get sick. Also, if you are breeding with frozen and the mare doesn’t catch the first time, you are hooped. Why not consider a fresh semen stallion with a LFG? If you are willing to look at other than KWPN stallions, Dreamscape Farm has a large selection of stallion, very reasonable stud fees and then you don’t have to worry about frozen semen or shipping from the US. There are some extremely nice dressage stallions available in Canada. You already mentioned Schwarzenegger and WII. There is also Fabregas, Freestyle, Sir Gregory, Sagnol, Connaiseur, Bonheur. You mentioned being interested in a dual purpose stallion. What about Sir Wanabi or Bon Balou?

I am a penny pincher - always have been and always will be. I haven’t paid for a single piece of furniture in my entire house - I scavenged it all from friends and family who (for reasons I will never understand) feel the need to redecorate all the time. I am very proud of my ability to stretch a dime. :winkgrin: I see no reason to spend $2000+ on a stud fee when there are fantastic stallions available for only $1500. I am not in an area where I can market my foals to a wide range of high level riders - if my stud fee costs an extra $500 that is an extra $500 I have to pass off to the buyer (and in my neck of the woods that $500 makes a difference). And, although my mare is a nice mare, she is not what I would consider a top notch candidate to breed to a top of the food chain stallion. I know it is the cheapest part of breeding horses - but I think it best to plan to budget as low as possible and be prepared for emergencies. Being frugal doesn’t make me necessarily cheap though. If I think I need to pay more for a quality item then I will - I just don’t think I do in this case, because there are so many good options at my price point.

I have been drooling over Bon Balou for 5 years! I was so happy when Jennifer brought him to Canada. But if I go with a non-KWPN stallion it will be back to Schwarzenegger again. Although my heart belongs to Bonheur and I think he would compliment the mare nicely I don’t think he he fits my “dual purpose” wish. Maybe when I decide to breed the mare for a keeper filly for myself I will breed to him.

I prefer fresh, but because I wasn’t seeing many KWPN stallions in Canada I wanted to go frozen (and with the mare being a proven brood mare with 6 foals I was thinking my chances would be pretty decent). I am lucky to live very close to a vet school - so I can just take her there and they would take care of all the AI work.

[TKR]

Why don’t you talk personally to the stallion owners of the stallions who you like alot that are more $$ than you want to spend. Many of them would work with someone who has a very nice mare that matches well and would possibly offer a discounted fee if you ask. The stallions are only as good as the foals on the ground and every year with a new crop of stallions out there their book might shrink, so it doesn’t hurt to ask.
PennyG

[vandenbrink]

If you are concerned about budget, you may want to reconsider Frozen semen. Many of my friends have had a lot of disappointments, and have gone over budget most of the the time. Vet costs are in most cases higher with Frozen, and success rates are lower then Fresh, and costs are typically underestimated. Do your research. I’ve done it, but much prefer fresh for convenience and cost savings.

[Forte]

[QUOTE=vandenbrink;7126527]
If you are concerned about budget, you may want to reconsider Frozen semen. Many of my friends have had a lot of disappointments, and have gone over budget most of the the time. Vet costs are in most cases higher with Frozen, and success rates are lower then Fresh, and costs are typically underestimated. Do your research. I’ve done it, but much prefer fresh for convenience and cost savings.[/QUOTE]

Agree completely. If you are doing frozen, you need to be willing to spend a LOT of money in vet fees.

[Kyzteke]

[QUOTE=Forte;7126850]
Agree completely. If you are doing frozen, you need to be willing to spend a LOT of money in vet fees.[/QUOTE]

Bingo! In most cases dealing with frozen will automatically add at least an extra $500 in vet bills to the process.

I feel the OPs pain about not having a foal inspection nearby. Although both of my mares are registered Hanoverians, I long since stopped using this registry because it only comes every other year and even then it’s 4+ hrs away.

I was trying to arrange a MPT for one of my mares, and since her registry of birth (RPSI) doesn’t offer one, I was looking elsewhere. Seems I would have had to haul her 8+ hrs (one way) to get there. Something we are going to have to address here in the USA one of these days…

OP, I assume this breeding is for next year? Well, I have gotten quite afew deep discounts from SO by paying the entire stud fee the year before…say, by Jan. 1st. I’ve gotten as much as 40% off this way.

Never hurts to ask…

[_SSM]

I would definitely second Kathy’s suggestion of Uphill - I got a fabulous Uphill colt out of my Ferro mare and the semen is excellent quality. Within your budget and what you want in a stallion, think he’d be a top pick for me.

Another possibility if you like the Jazz line, is Johnson. He produces sensationally as well and the Flemmingh on his dam side takes care of some of the heat the Jazz throws. Though he is slightly over your budget, but you do get a LFG?

[AFOBGYN]

Johnson

[QUOTE=SSM;7127802]

Another possibility if you like the Jazz line, is Johnson. He produces sensationally as well and the Flemmingh on his dam side takes care of some of the heat the Jazz throws. Though he is slightly over your budget, but you do get a LFG?[/QUOTE]

We bred to Johnson this year using frozen semen and have confirmed a heartbeat at 30 days. His semen is very good, comes with a two year live foal guarantee and is already in Virginia. Dr. Martha Mellish represents the Nijhof semen in the US and was very easy to work with.

[Wild_One]

[QUOTE=Ysabel;7125167]
Already done. They told me KWPN stallion crossed with her would give me VB foals.

The nearest GOV inspection is over 10 hours away and I was told by the GOV registry that foals must be inspected to be registered (not keen to haul a 5 month old foal that far) - I was pretty discouraged when I found this out. I was even more discouraged when I found out that she was not eligible for Hanoverian inspection since those are held within 10 minutes of my farm.

But KWPN inspections are also held in my area and they were so great with helping me that I am happy to go with them.

I am a penny pincher - always have been and always will be. I haven’t paid for a single piece of furniture in my entire house - I scavenged it all from friends and family who (for reasons I will never understand) feel the need to redecorate all the time. I am very proud of my ability to stretch a dime. :winkgrin: I see no reason to spend $2000+ on a stud fee when there are fantastic stallions available for only $1500. I am not in an area where I can market my foals to a wide range of high level riders - if my stud fee costs an extra $500 that is an extra $500 I have to pass off to the buyer (and in my neck of the woods that $500 makes a difference). And, although my mare is a nice mare, she is not what I would consider a top notch candidate to breed to a top of the food chain stallion. I know it is the cheapest part of breeding horses - but I think it best to plan to budget as low as possible and be prepared for emergencies. Being frugal doesn’t make me necessarily cheap though. If I think I need to pay more for a quality item then I will - I just don’t think I do in this case, because there are so many good options at my price point.

I have been drooling over Bon Balou for 5 years! I was so happy when Jennifer brought him to Canada. But if I go with a non-KWPN stallion it will be back to Schwarzenegger again. Although my heart belongs to Bonheur and I think he would compliment the mare nicely I don’t think he he fits my “dual purpose” wish. Maybe when I decide to breed the mare for a keeper filly for myself I will breed to him.

I prefer fresh, but because I wasn’t seeing many KWPN stallions in Canada I wanted to go frozen (and with the mare being a proven brood mare with 6 foals I was thinking my chances would be pretty decent). I am lucky to live very close to a vet school - so I can just take her there and they would take care of all the AI work.[/QUOTE]

Not sure where you are in Canada but CWHBA is a great club and they are fairly widespread as far as inspections go. Have been with them quite a while and love the flexibility with which stallions you can use. They also have a fall breed show every year in each province, which have foal futurities. Alot of the stallions mentioned from Canada donate services. Just sayin…!

[Ysabel]

Sorry I haven’t responded to all of these great suggestions before now. But I actually lost the mare to colic in early September. I still have my other mare who is due in May, she is a grade Quarter Horse mare that was recently approved for the CWHBA, she is my heart horse so the excitement of her foal and approval has help a bit with the disappointment of loosing my warmblood mare, but of course it is not quite the same. Hopefully someday I will have the opportunity to own another warmblood broodmare.

[Kyzteke]

[QUOTE=Ysabel;7273756]
Sorry I haven’t responded to all of these great suggestions before now. But I actually lost the mare to colic in early September. I still have my other mare who is due in May, she is a grade Quarter Horse mare that was recently approved for the CWHBA, she is my heart horse so the excitement of her foal and approval has help a bit with the disappointment of loosing my warmblood mare, but of course it is not quite the same. Hopefully someday I will have the opportunity to own another warmblood broodmare.[/QUOTE]

OP – so sorry to hear about this. Thank goodness you didn’t already book to a stallion or buy frozen.

Hopefully you kept the Wolkenstantz foal o/o your WB mare? Was that a filly?

[Ysabel]

Hopefully you kept the Wolkenstantz foal o/o your WB mare? Was that a filly?

Unfortunately not. It was a filly, but I that was how I was able to afford the mare, by selling the foal. But the filly is still here for the next 2.5 years so I get to play with her. The agreement I made to get the mare also included 3 years of board for the foal. At first it was hard because the filly was a reminder of what I lost. But now that time has healed a bit I realize that I would have felt way worst if it had been the filly, and I am starting to enjoy her now again. Plus the owner of the filly is great and has been so good to me during all this.

Actually - if I am to look at the whole horrible ordeal with a glass is half full perspective - it did teach me how much the people in my life care about me. The filly’s owner and her relatives (a family who I let ride my ponies when they are staying in the area) called the vet hospital as soon as they learned what had happened and paid my vet bill before I even had a chance. The owner of the stallion my mares are/were bred too donated the cost of the breeding back to me to put towards the purchase of a new broodmare someday. And my friends and family secretly pooled funds and raised $1000 to add to my “future broodmare” fund. So I cried because I was sad, but then I later cried because I felt so overwhelmed with gratitude - I am not an affectionate person and I am sort of weird, so I am always surprised to find out that people actually like me.

[adelmo95]

I am sorry to hear about your loss but glad to hear that you had so much support throughout.

Based on the generosity of some of the people you mentioned you might be surprised by the type of broodmare you could find at this time of year that would fit into the price point of what people have given to you.

I don’t know what part of Canada you are in but try doing a search for “warmblood” on Kijiji in Alberta. You have to do a bit of looking but I have found many attractive well bred mares on that website for surprisingly low amounts. I enjoy “window shopping” online to see what is out there and at this time of year there are certainly some deals to be had. I have also seen some fairly unfortunate looking horses on the site and you have limited search criteria so it takes patience to sift through to find the nice ones…

[Ysabel]

Thanks adelmo95 - I have been window shopping as well, but I am challenged by location (I am in the Maritimes). We shipped the last mare all the way from Alberta and it was a very stressful and expensive. I have been trying to limit my search to no further west than Ontario and no further south than New England. And, too be honest, right now my heart is not 100% in it. I have never lost a horse to colic and it was very traumatizing for me, and the disappointment was a hard pill to swallow, so I think I still need a bit more time to regroup. I do have my eye on a mare that may be available next fall if I can hold out that long. My next mare will hopefully be my second heart horse so I don’t want to be too anxious and pick the wrong mare for me. I am not allowed to get attached to the foals, school horses and boarders - but I have permission to fall in love with my 2 broodmares. Well… and the one jobless small pony we have that has wormed his sneaky way into both mine and my husband’s hearts. :winkgrin: He is too cute and bad not to fall head over heels for.