Urggg, wished I hadn’t watched this video. Yup, horse moves awesomely, but I can’t stand the blood on the poor bull 
. Was not enjoyable to me, stopped watching halfway.
Any other videos out there of Lusi’s at work, then without the bull involved? I think I’ll do youtube search.
So what’s the avg size of this breed? 15hh to 16.2hh?
Can’t wait to see Kyra in action with him, picture looks wonderful.
Okay, answering my own post really, I didn’t know anything about Portugese equitation, but waw, interesting.
I just watched this, quite cool really. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5895K-Xjupk&feature=channel
Doesn’t this seem a real fun way of practising some dressage movements.
I think I need to get my ring organised, buy some flowerpots, rails etc… 
“This video was fabulous”
I have not sat and cried while I watched a video for a long time, but that video had me sobbing. Bull fighting with man or beast is disgusting. That horse’s sides are bloody from the spur BEFORE the bull hit him, and then he gets jabbed with the bull’s horns. Horses do not ‘like’ such things.
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“This video was fabulous”
I have not sat and cried while I watched a video for a long time, but that video had me sobbing. Bull fighting with man or beast is disgusting.[/QUOTE]
Ok specially for you. The bull gets his revenge;)
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Okay, answering my own post really, I didn’t know anything about Portugese equitation, but waw, interesting.
I just watched this, quite cool really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5895K-Xjupk&feature=channel
Doesn’t this seem a real fun way of practising some dressage movements.
I think I need to get my ring organised, buy some flowerpots, rails etc… :D[/QUOTE]
This has popped up in a couple of places recently. I love the idea and do wonder if my wicked fast little maresy would enjoy it (once she was done spooking at some of the obstacles!)
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Okay, answering my own post really, I didn’t know anything about Portugese equitation, but waw, interesting.
I just watched this, quite cool really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5895K-Xjupk&feature=channel
Doesn’t this seem a real fun way of practising some dressage movements.
I think I need to get my ring organised, buy some flowerpots, rails etc… :D[/QUOTE]
It actually started in Italy and is taking the world by storm. They even have European and world championships now
http://www.workingequitationuk.com/
Did that guy die? Why did he get off the horse and tease the bull? Translate, please, then explain.
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Did that guy die? Why did he get off the horse and tease the bull? Translate, please, then explain.[/QUOTE]
He got pissed because the bull hit his horse so he dismounted to show the bull that he wasn’t happy so Joao who weighs roughley 170 lbs wet thought he could impress a +1200lbs bull ;). Yeah he survived , is fine and learned a very important lesson don’t screw with a bull.lol
Sorry couldn’t see anything over he bloody spur marks…
Sorry, it was hard to appreciate everything because my eyes were glued to the sides of the horse that were bloody from this guys spurs. I would move of the leg quickly too if I was being spurred that deeply.
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Sorry, it was hard to appreciate everything because my eyes were glued to the sides of the horse that were bloody from this guys spurs. I would move of the leg quickly too if I was being spurred that deeply.[/QUOTE]
I’m afraid it is very common and ofcourse on a dark horse not so noticeable. It has always bothered me to. Having said that and having tried bullfighting once it really is a matter of live and death and a little misstake can cost dearly. It makes eventing look like a walk in the park. Like I said I tried it once and never ever again. I like to live. Ofcourse it also cruel for the bull but on the other hand they have a better life then any calf that is being raised for veal meat or any pig that is being raised for meat etc etc.
The bull doesn’t ‘get his revenge’, it is just another animal getting abused, bulls don’t understand ‘revenge’ that is a human subject. Bullfighting is a human invention.
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Yep just like rodeo, keeping dogs on a short chain, growing pigs in a stall without any room to move in , zoo’s etc etc it is all cruel in some way. Mental distress sometimes is worse then fysical distress. I agree it is far from perfect but on the other hand I know if I had a choice between being born and be stuck in a cubicle since day one with hardly any light standing in my own crap etc etc untill the day I die 24/7 or growing up free and with no worries and then being send to war for whatever reason it would be a hard choice to make. I don’t defend bullfighting but I don’t condem it either. I see it as it is. We are far from living in perfect world
if I had a choice between being born and be stuck in a cubicle since day one with hardly any light standing in my own crap etc etc untill the day I die 24/7 or growing up free and with no worries and then being send to war for whatever reason it would be a hard choice to make.
argument- FAIL.
reminds me of someone’s ex boyfriend when faced with the multitude of reasons for her declining to continue the relationship. “Yes, but I didn’t BEAT you.”
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argument- FAIL.
reminds me of someone’s ex boyfriend when faced with the multitude of reasons for her declining to continue the relationship. “Yes, but I didn’t BEAT you.”[/QUOTE]
Really?. So lets make this hit home a bit more. Is it better to live free for 5 years free ,having all the food you need and then die or is this scenario better?. You just turned one and a bit they throw a saddle on you ,make you run untill you are really close to getting a heart attack over and over again if you don’t win they disgard you and you either end up at the meat man or if you are one of the very few lucky ones that get a good home and get used for something else or maybe the strain is to much on the track and you actually make your leg snap like a toothpick. Is it perfect?. Anything that involves animals in captivity has a certain cruelty factor no matter how much we luv them or how much we think we take care of them. In that case the looney PETA people are right but will I stop riding horses ,having my dog stop eating chicken, steak or whatever for it. No way Jose.
Bullfighting and other animal stuff is like discussing abortion you have pro life and pro choice and it will never ever get resolved. Just the way it is.
Just to add that no animal has a choice to choose like humans have in a relationship. An animal might really dislike its owner but they cannot walk away yet the human can walk away from their animal(pet) anytime they feel like it so you cannot compare human to human relationships to human -animal relationships ;). I think there are plenty horses that would love to say " I want to leave because you beat me"
In the words of one of my favorites:
“And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage?”
Anyway, to get back to the original topic. I notice whenever a lusitano thread comes on here we always have to post negatives about the breed. Why not just appreciate them for their good points and acknowledge that they might have some challenges? Why always jump to stereotypes?
Because they’re not the “normal” dressage horse? So don’t buy one and let those of us who like them, enjoy them.
I have an average lusitano. Well I consider him average but maybe you would think him sub-par or something. I don’t know. But anyway, lateral work has always come very easy to him. He was taught, not by me, very correctly and if you can sit you can do some very nice lateral work on him. Not just going side ways like crazy. Well I have that problem in the canter HP but that’s because I can’t sit down. My trainer doesn’t have the problem at all. And the few seconds I can sit down I don’t have the problem either. So it’s all about the rider.
I don’t think it’s entirely fair to lump an entire breed together and say that they have trouble doing HP etc. Especially because in Brazil they are breeding more and more sport-horse types now.
There are more and more competing at the bigger shows than there used to be. I don’t think it’s just a fad. People were doing dressage on these horses for a long time before modern dressage came around.
And if you haven’t ridden any of them, you don’t know what you’re missing because they can be a whole lot of fun. They don’t have the quarterback gaits for sure (nor do a lot of WBs) but I think they can do well depending on the right training etc.
And as for bull fighting I don’t even open those videos anymore. I don’t care how well the rider can ride the horse and how fast the horse can fling itself sideways across the ring. It’s not humane, it’s not “beautiful” in any sense and it has nothing to do with dressage IMO.
PS.
When these kind of horses can make it to the GrandPrix,
Pssst. Theo. They already have.
OK, here’s a Luso exhibition video with no bulls or blood. It’s a beautiful demonstration of harmony between horse and rider. I haven’t seen any WBs capable of this sensitivity and I’ve owned WBs and Iberians. Note rider’s hand position!
Here is the horse merlin in training, there is some bullfighting but most of the video is work against manmade bull and in a field. You can hate bullfighting all you want (and I do) but I am amazed at the lateral work of this horse. Every time one of these videos gets posted it devolves into a bitchy argument about bullfighting, animal abuse, etc. Recognize that it is an awful sport while at the same time admiring the athleticism of the horse. You can do it.
Where you are wrong is in insisting that everyone must see this video and then feel exactly what you feel and see it the same way you do.
Even taking the bullfighting out of it, I don’t agree with you, and I feel no importance in being able to ‘admire the riding and ignore the bullfighting’, as you insist people must do. Why must they do that?
The style of riding, the brutality of it, the abruptness of it, the macho show-offiness of it, the harshness of the aids, the overuse of the spur and weight and rein, the extremeness of the performance, goes right along with bullfighting.
Frankly I find the lateral work not ‘incredible’ at all, but absolutely awful, the horse is running like crazy with his head jammed up and his back down and hollowed out, there’s no rhythm and the horse is tight and tense, with a flat, quick gait. I’d not be surprised if after tearing sideways like that the horse can barely walk for three days.
If a competitive dressage rider rode like this y’all’d be screaming bloody murder.
The horse had blood on his sides BEFORE being jabbed by the bull. Take away the bull, the riding is still horrific.
I don’t see blood anywhere on that horse Merlin, do you want to show me the time frame where you can see “bloody spur marks” because I see none. Where did I insist that everyone agree with me? I think you can hate bullfighting, think it is cruel, dangerous, and barbaric without loosing the ability to admire the horse working.
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