Lady Eli -- Auction-Bound -- Why???

OK, I am going to explain something here.

The Breeders’ Cup is a relative newcomer to TB racing. It didn’t appear on the scene until the mid ‘80s. I remember reading about it the first year, and we thought it was pretty self-aggrandizing, especially with the “Classic” race that was brand new and certainly hadn’t been around long enough to call itself a classic. There were plenty of actual racing classics that had been around since before any of us had been born. I’m including people who had seen Man o’ War.

We weren’t racing people. We appreciated the Thoroughbred. We knew the breed’s contribution to other breeds (e.g., Saddlebred, TWH, QH, Irish hunter, Standardbred). I even knew a few people who owned TBs. Hunters. We watched TB racing because that was about the only horse sport shown on TV. I knew some names, I knew some breeding. But for awhile in the '80s I didn’t watch racing, partly because I didn’t always have a TV and partly because of watching races where horses had to be put down on the track. And this year I didn’t watch the Friday races because I had more important things I preferred to do!

In more recent years I’ve had more friends with TBs. So I tend to watch more racing, including the Breeders’ Cup. I also watch the Olympics, because I have friends who event, and friends who do dressage. And I remember in 2016 posts on COTH slamming Randy Moss for his lack of knowledge about the equestrian competitions and comparing him unfavorably with the British commentator. He got paid to do that coverage and he didn’t bother to educate himself beforehand, so why should I imagine he would educate himself about racing? I’m talking about programming where the viewing audience is expected to listen to non-horsey celebrities say who they think will win. That’s real knowledge speaking! I couldn’t care less about the betting odds anyway. I’d rather hear about the horses’ bloodlines. Those I know a bit. I can catch him out on some eventing comments. Racing, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Especially when he was there at the desk with well-known racing experts.

I listened on Saturday with half an ear while I was doing other things. And I heard the story about Lady Eli’s laminitis and dedicated owners’ dedication. Then I heard they were sending her to auction. Reminded me of threads I’ve read here on COTH about people buying expensive pedigreed dogs and then dumping them at a rescue or pound because they’d lost interest. Or show people who sell a horse at the drop of a helmet because they’re not winning on it.

So I put 2 and 2 together and came up with 4. And a lot of you thought I’d come up with 5 and accused me of being ignorant, and one even implied I’m an idiot, because I didn’t know that the oh-so-knowledgeable commentator meant “sales” when he said “auction” and never bothered to say “Keeneland.”

Yes, I knew that Man o’ War was sold at a “sale.” But not after he’d made big bucks on the track for his owner and had won classic races.

So, there you have my explanation of why I was sad to hear Lady Eli was going to an “auction.”

Now, any of you want to explain your reasons for putting me down, criticizing me for not being as knowledgeable as Jerry Bailey, and going on and on about how only an idiot could miss “Keeneland” and not know about the Keeneland “sales,” instead of doing as I asked and “educating” me?

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One horse just went for 6mil.
I want to see if there are some low sales on some horses or if the older, not high performance horses that used to sell at auction now go directly off the track to the non-racing sales.

Some of us have tried to educate - and you come back with rancor. The key part of your post was what I bolded… so you were not really paying attention (nothing wrong with that - I fast forward through all the award presentations etc.) and yet still knew the announcers were inadequate. I asked for examples of why you felt they were ignorant but now understand that you only had half an ear - so could not offer examples. I was honestly interested in what you had heard as you had seemed to suggest - and you basically rolled your eyes and said I was lying… was that not “putting me down”?

I think that was what puzzled some of us… how those three individuals could be deemed to not know anything about horses or racing. We explained who they were… and that they did know what they were talking about. I think you put 2 and 2 together and came up with 3.75 - and some of us tried to help make that a 4.

If Randy Moss could not go on at great length about what makes a perfect canter pirouette while the dressage expert could and likely did or was not up to snuff on whatever bit an eventer was using or how many strides were optimum between A and B of a combination jump, it does not mean he is ignorant about racing. Apples and oranges.

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Where’sMyWhite did a very good job of educating me and I have already thanked her for it. Thank you again, Where’sMyWhite.

Reading back over this thread yet AGAIN, the main put-downs came from Drvmb1ggI3. Why, I have no idea. In my own area of the horse world, I have always enjoyed sharing my knowledge with newbies, as have my friends. I hope Drvmwhatever is not representative of racing people in general.

I notice that Palm Beach edited the “idiot” out of her post.

OK, that’s it. I’m done with this thread. I did start one the other night about the Melbourne Cup, to which no one replied. I was glad. At least no one came back to tell me Duh, they already knew about it, everyone who was anyone knew about it, and only a “neophyte” would have missed it on the TV schedule.

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Well, I missed it on the TV schedule - and I am no neophyte! :wink:

Far too much going on around here and it got past me. I did find the replay online and will watch it - and some of the undercard - before I post on the thread. If that is permitted, that is…

Just a gentle reminder here that you were the one who said you did not know much about racing… and then got prickly when others tried to help educate and explain something they truly love and are passionate about… and that passion is something true “racing people” have in common.

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Implying that someone is an ‘idiot’ is counterproductive to any type of “useful” discussion or education.

I’d get prickly too if someone implied I was an idiot because I asked what I thought was a reasonable question…

I could care less about the announcers/handicappers. When the coverage kept talking “auction” it annoyed me every single time and I know that the “auctions” being referred to are really more like upper class elite sales with a pool of buyers.

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I did no such thing, it was done by the moderator. I think the problem is, OP, that you are only partially paying attention to the information presented and getting upset because your statements are wrong and people disagree with what you put up.

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And the tone in which the information was presented has nothing to do with how the reader “listens”???

One can be very passionate about a subject and still present the information in a helpful manner rather than blasting someone’s ignorance… no?

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Although this relates to the F-T sale of Songbird, sharing this nice article to illustrate the other example of auctions. http://smileypete.com/business/fasig-tipton-november-sale/

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I think what is rubbing some of us the wrong way is the implied subtext of the original post–how could these mean people “dump” Lady Eli as though she was going to a livestock auction or something.

And none of this is particularly new–Lady Eli was supposed to sell at Keeneland but Fasig Tipton November is carving out an identity against the juggernaut that is Keeneland November by selling stellar broodmare prospects like Songbird. Havre de Grace was Horse of the Year in 2011 and sold for $10 million in 2012.

Years ago–many years ago now–Thoroughbred breeding was dominated by families who jealously guarded the best of certain bloodlines and the best runners. That generally doesn’t happen anymore and enough money gets you just about any mare in the world. These year end sales have become the event after the event where BC racemares take their final bows.

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Except Lady Eli was pulled from Keeneland due to the injuries she sustained in her BC race last Saturday, having, IMO, nothing to do with what Fasig-Tipton is/was doing :slight_smile:

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Who blasted who’s ignorance? Shame.

I personally would do a little googling before laying down opinions regarding something I am not familiar with, or perhaps asking what gives with sending a horse like Lady Eli to an auction. Maybe the passionate person could phrase the question, “So the announcers said a couple times that Lady Eli is going to an auction - does anyone know anything about these auctions? I just am concerned for her and want to know what the future holds for her after the auction.” Or something like that. Present the opinion in a manner that doesn’t imply the industry is heartless.

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This discussion is laughable in many ways.

The barns I’ve seen in KY are nicer than many peoples’ houses, and I’m willing to bet serious $ that these mares get better care than the average joe human walking down the street

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Of course they are - there is no third party payor!

I have not read every post, so forgive me if this is a duplicate: but back when I was active in the TB sales, both the Ky auctions (Keeneland and F/T) had a “strike price”; i.e. a minimum price for a horse to sell for. This amount (it was $1000) was always in excess of the “meat price”, so meat buyers had no incentive to go to these sales to bid on horses that no one wanted.

Of course, sellers who were forced to bring their cheap horses home, or else find them a quick home, could have searched out a meat buyer and made an “outside the ring” sale, but Keeneland and F/T are powerless to dictate direct sales; all the companies can do is to make it unprofitable for such sales to occur.

On 2 occasions I offered a good home to a horse which did not meet its strike price. Both times, my offer was accepted. The first was a filly who ended up becoming a VERY top polo pony. The second was a gorgeous sabino gelding who was an elegant mover (because he was back at the knees). He became a huge winner in Non- QH under saddle — becoming ‘world champion’ in his division.

In each case, the high strike did its job: to keep kill buyers away from the sales.

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Great experiences LordHelpus. Thanks for sharing! And for your measured response.

There was a nice article in the Blood-Horse daily download for 11/29 by Lenny Shulman, “Owners of Top Racemares Learn to Let Go.”

Sorry can’t post link easily but can be found on bloodhorse.com

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Here it is; http://cdn.bloodhorse.com/daily-app/pdfs/BloodHorseDaily-20171129.pdf

Wonder how Lady Eli is doing and what their next plan might be.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/225187/lady-elis-next-career-move-still-being-decided

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