Lameness

Yes, I too was surprised about the amount of information on here exposing aspects of the life of a minor. If this thread had been started by a junior, we would have said right up front that they have posted way too much identifying information and anyone who wanted to creep them could easily find out who they were and where they live.

It’s one thing to start a FB page with total privacy parameters limited to family and real life friends, for family photos and baby pictures. But I notice that even the most ardent baby picture people tend to fade off as kids hit puberty and require more privacy.

There is no privacy on IG or YT unless you make the pages private.

It is very true that random small social media accounts can fly under the radar and be pretty harmless. But then you link to them on an international chat forum that has way more readers than members, identifying everything about your daughter her activities and her riding program. Now we are all following those accounts, even though you took the riding program YT link off here.

I get admiring your talented daughter, but what’s the end goal in keeping her off social media in her own right but starting an account that identifies her so clearly? Who is your target audience? Extended families? Her peers? Random pedophiles? What’s the point of making so much public?

I get the feeling you may be fairly naive with social media, which is fine. But here are a few guidelines we’ve all learned the hard way.

You can talk about anything as long as your online alter is water tight. In these cases you are judged only by the content of what you say.

Even if you have a water tight alter, keep your barn name out of your signature etc, any details you post can add up to identification for anyone that knows you.

Many people are members of COTH but never post, or have such a tight alter you don’t know who they are. And thousands more read COTH but aren’t members. It’s about the only active horse chat site outside of FB. It’s a key resource for technical questions. It’s pretty much a guarantee that someone from your own barn will stumble upon one of your totally anonymous posts, recognize you from tiny details in previous posts, and get offended.

It’s also possible that you will participate in a more raucous thread, where the topic or the OP turns out to be batsht crazy, and they will go through all your previous posts trying to work out who you are so they can phone you, your employer or trainer and scream and threaten. To my knowledge this happened with Nick Peronace, Susan Wackowich (Dressage Hub), Lauren Kanarek, and Kate Shearer (these people harassed anonymous COTH posters IRL or across other platforms after sleuthing their identities). This is called “doxxing.” It means finding out home address and personal details of someone online, and then either posting them or using them for harassment or crime. It didn’t happen to me because my alter and account are locked down, but there were stores from others!

It is also possible as in this case you are dragging in both a seller and a training program by using the registered name of the horse under discussion. I didn’t move fast enough to see the sales video but obviously others did, and it’s now public knowledge what you paid, where you bought him, and every last detail about his lameness issues.

Now the secret to staying safe is keep your alter water tight. Then you can ask any question without identifying both yourself, your child, and every single horse person you do business with. On an international horse chat forum.

I gather by the speed of your deletions here you’ve learned a fast lesson in internet protocol. Maybe a rather hard one.

I hope you have learned some lessons that will apply generally to your Internet life going forward. And to think about the ramifications of sharing so many identifying details of a teenage girl. You have no idea where and how those images will be shared and copied.

Read up on how pedophiles use “innocent” online posts if you want an eye opener.

Edited to add: I went back to Buoyant Dressage and saw that everything about Fine Dream had been deleted in the past couple of days. Did you request that or did they get spooked? Answer doesn’t matter really. I also noticed that as a YT channel they are very careful not to identify location or the identity of the junior riders, which is very good practice. And the channel name doesn’t link in search to a barn name website. They could be anywhere.

21 Likes

Sweet…

If I had to guess based on your list, I’m about an hour from you. Feel free to pm me any time if you want advice on anything local, or just want to make some connections outside your barn at the shows this summer.

10 Likes

Fantastatic!

Do you have enough information about his lameness?

Yes, we had a thorough exam (included flexions, rads, u/s, nerve and joint blocks) by our vet who is also a sports medicine/lameness specialist; horse conveniently first presented lameness on the vet’s regular farm call day.

When that exam was inconclusive - rads and u/s were unremarkable, all flexions were negative, and the lameness was isolated via joint block - our vet recommended more advanced imaging and we shipped the horse to the clinic for a CT scan. The CT scan was successful in pinpointing the injury and a treatment plan was prescribed based on those findings.

5 Likes

The OP has deleted any identifying information from this thread - minus the information you just dragged back into the conversation after a long post harping about OP’s choices as a parent and acting as an expert on all things COTH and SM. I also think it’s wildly inappropriate to be questioning this person’s parenting decisions in a post about horse lameness. Fortunately, the OP has been incredibly graceful about receiving advice because after reading your post and a few others, I don’t believe I’d personally listen to any thing offered here.

31 Likes

Actually, you can still find the name of the horse if you look at the replies of the deleted posts. Nothing is ever lost on the Interweb…

5 Likes

AGREED.

I will also add that the range of suggestions here is pretty wild and one of the reasons you have to take information you find on the internet with a grain of salt. It would seem that no single trainer on the planet is suitable, and the OP needs to take the horse barefoot and learn to trim it herself among other suggestions. It’s easy to see why someone without a ton of horse experience can easily be overwhelmed.

12 Likes

I don’t think her mother is overbearing, I think she’s just getting started in this USA horse showing world (and COTH) and is learning quickly. Before much of the information was scrubbed, I saw much of the video and sales information. Seller, to the best of my knowledge, is not known to be a scammer. But it is also not the seller’s job to bring the buyer back to a level of reality when it comes to the daughter’s ambitions and timeframe, nor is it the seller’s job to suggest that the buyer needs to be working with a trainer when it comes to the sale. Sellers hear all sorts of grand visions with first time buyers and at the end of the day it is the buyer’s responsibility to purchase a suitable horse.

I viewed her posts as she was trying to identify the next steps and wanted to present the most information possible to get the best suggestions for a path forward. Since she is relatively new to COTH (and if she doesn’t read all the sub-boards with all the requisite drama) she didn’t understand the necessity of leaving out much identifying information.

Let’s try to play nice with a relatively new poster with good intentions. We are supposed to be grown ass adults on here. I, for one, would love for OP to keep us somewhat updated as treatment and training progresses over the next couple months and years. I feel somewhat invested at this point. If we keep being less than nice to her, she will understandably stop posting at all here.

43 Likes

Maybe I missed some postings - I have not read each and every one in extensive detail - but that is not the impression that I have gotten from this thread. By and large pretty much everyone has said “he’s a big 4yo, recently imported, and likely is going through a growth spurt and adjusting to his new life at a totally different barn. You’re probably going to need to give him some time off and then re-evaluate the lameness if it returns when he goes back into work.” Plus - “You really could benefit from a trainer that focuses on young, green horses rather than a trainer that focuses on FEI riders right now. There will be a time for the FEI trainer down the road.” Not a bunch of crazy suggestions that will take her down an expensive, frustrating rabbit hole.

I haven’t seen a bunch of “wild” suggestions, but maybe I missed a section…

24 Likes

Thank you so much!

4 Likes

Why do you care so much? It’s their horse.

I would also love for OP to share their journey because the horse is lovely.

13 Likes

Excuse me? I just said you can still see their posts. This was the only post I made on this thread. I made no comment about the horse or anything else. It was just a be careful post.

5 Likes

Many many first time posters make the mistake of oversharing and then end up deleting details. I did this once years ago. Lesson learned.

I was trying to make the point that you can have very frank problem solving discussions here if you have a water tight alter and don’t leak identifying details like the horses registered name or links to your other social media

People come on here all the time with WWYD queries about legal and financial things, barn interpersonal queries, horse health. Sometimes people make one off alters and say “I’m a long time member but made an alter for this particular dilemma” and call themselves something obvious like Haltered Alter etc.

Other people come on with issues where they want to expose a shady horse pro or active regional or local situation and feel free to speak in their own voice. But that’s for when you want credibility in a situation where you’ve already burned bridges.

I feel like at the start, OP may have very understandably been caught between a bit of buyers remorse (was I ripped off with this horse?) and a lot of genuine problem solving (what do we do now?) coupled with genuine innocence or ignorance about the structure of Horse World (we all have to start learning somewhere). Over the course of the thread the OP shifted towards problem solving, which was good (what’s done is done, you can’t return the horse) and may have learned a bit. All positive movement.

My takeaway advice is not to use the registered name of the horse in any discussion of soundness issues. We have a couple of track trainers who bring racing TB into our recreational barn for layup or resale. For the stall front ID we get trainer, simple barn name (Buddy or Blaze kind of names), and basic ID (6 year old bay mare). If the horse is on rehab the trainers are discrete about diagnosis and prognosis. It’s really smart because they don’t want to be selling a horse into a riding home in 2 years and have everyone remember that Jet Set Magic or Racing for the Stars was on layup for 6 months and had really dodgy X-rays. Or even go back to the track betting!

There was a complaining type ammie gal at the barn years ago who was continually going on about how her trusted QH breeder sold her a crocked horse. Then she put him up for sale. One of my trainer friends told me her client was interested. I said quite honestly I didn’t really see anything wrong with the horse but the owner had complained multiple times that he was permanently unsound, and trainer friend said ok, we won’t bother checking him out.

Putting the horse identifiably online is even a bigger broadcast of what might be temporary weakness, but internet is forever

5 Likes

I think OP has gotten the point. Give it a rest.

Belaboring it will only drive her away from this board. She’s been very open to at least listening to suggestions, which is incredibly refreshing.

As I said earlier, I for one hope she updates us occasionally during the horse’s development.

21 Likes

I know that everyone here has good intentions. Not only, but I truly believe that deep down in everyone is light and kindness. Hopefully the admin will delete this thread soon as I received enough information.

Raising, educating and shaping little humans is not easy. This thread opened my mind and made me realized, that although I am very proud of my two girls, I don’t need to post here about their accomplishments. Thank you. Also, I decided to make the IG account private. The account was created for my family and friends from Europe, and also to share my children’s work such as their music journey, horse journey, art journey, without having phones, computers etc. My intention was to sent a message out in the world that you don’t need electronics to make it work as a child.

I have a little bit of remorse that I ignored some really good advice of some horse friends, but as you said " we all have to start somewhere". Time off, magna wave, hand walk, bemer, acupuncture, chiro, light groundwork. FD has the best time of his life. :slight_smile:

21 Likes

Everything you said @rothmpp !!

I had supportive parents and OP seems to be cut from that same cloth. My parents didn’t have a clue and I don’t think they ever would have come to something like our forums (which didn’t exist at the time :joy:) to further their own learning. Not saying that in a bad way for them, but we had our different trainers along the road and we deferred to them as many do.

OP, you’ll probably fly by the seat of your pants with all the horse stuff but you came to a good place to learn! I also hope you’ll continue to share FD’s health findings/recovery info. There is a TON of knowledge here in the Horse Care part of the forum too.

I for one have learned a TON in my few short years since joining in 2020 and I’ve been riding since about 1991 :laughing:

10 Likes

Threads here do not ever get deleted by mods just because a poster has regrets. OP can change title and delete posts but the thread remains. Admin will step in for legal issues or particularly nasty interpersonal stuff only exceptional cases.

1 Like

Best of luck! Your daughter & horse are lucky to have you!

5 Likes