It doesn’t. Its obfuscatory. ie: you have not defined the term ‘farrier’ and what the true sense of the word is, or how some individuals fail to meet that explanation. IOW, please explain what ‘a farrier in the true sense of the word’ is, and why.
I aquired it through marriage . . .
http://www.blackburnforge.com/images/QonB.jpg
Her bloodline . . .
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/miss+blackburn+101
and to improve the American Paint Horse breed, we made these together . . .
1997 APHA Tuff Mister Blackburn
1998 APHA Tuff Miss Blackburn
1999 APHA Blackburn’s Tuff Money
2001 APHA Mr. Tommy Blackburn
2002 APHA Goosefrabba
Don’t have images of-
1994 APHA “Pure Country Rock”
1993 AQHA “Mapledale’s Bay Lady”
the were before my time.
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Regardless, I’m sure you are familiar with Mr. Jagger’s philosophy, “You can’t always get what you want.” 
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It doesn’t. Its obfuscatory. ie: you have not defined the term ‘farrier’ and what the true sense of the word is, or how some individuals fail to meet that explanation. IOW, please explain what ‘a farrier in the true sense of the word’ is, and why.[/QUOTE]
Here you go sir: I think this covers most of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farrier
In the true “sence of the word” a person calling himself a Farrier would without a doubt have ALL those skills and then some.
IMO Many fall way short of these skills and qualifications and still use the label “Farrier”
Do find something differant in your line of work?
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Regardless, I’m sure you are familiar with Mr. Jagger’s philosophy, “You can’t always get what you want.” [/QUOTE]
:lol: “but IF try sometimes… you get what you NEED”:lol:
how do you guys recommend finding a good farrier? i’ve been around horses for most of my life, but my horse owning education is only very basic since i’ve never owned a horse. i don’t know much about shoeing.
i’m in the seattle area, if that helps at all.
What are the ‘and then some skills’?
IMO Many fall way short of these skills and qualifications and still use the label “Farrier”
Other then ‘pretender to the throne’, what would you have them call themselves?
By the way, are you aware that in times gone bye, British farriers carried an implement with a broad axe head on one side and a long spike on the other. The purpose of said implement was to dispatch a wounded/disabled horse with the spike side and then to cut off one hoof above the coronary band with the axe side(see http://hoofcare.blogspot.com/ for a more full description). Would you say that these are two of the “and then some” skills still necessary to qualify as a farrier in your eyes?
Do find something differant in your line of work?
It Depends…
In its broadest sense, the term ‘farrier’ refers to someone who fabricates iron(Fe)(and now steel, aluminum and other materials, boots, excepted) into objects that are, after trimming a horse’s hooves, attached to said hooves. Since that is an accepted definition, then it stands that anyone engaging in that activity is, by definition, a farrier. Nuances are left to the discretion/interpretation/imagination of the provider and purchaser.
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What are the ‘and then some skills’?
PR skills would help, along with the ability to know what you are doing and why.
Other then ‘pretender to the throne’, what would you have them call themselves?
Shoemakers, in the Italian sence of the word:lol:
By the way, are you aware that in times gone bye, British farriers carried an implement with a broad axe head on one side and a long spike on the other. The purpose of said implement was to dispatch a wounded/disabled horse with the spike side and then to cut off one hoof above the coronary band with the axe side(see http://hoofcare.blogspot.com/ for a more full description). Would you say that these are two of the “and then some” skills still necessary to qualify as a farrier in your eyes?
By the way, it would Depend on the circumstances, but I don’t see where skill is need to be a hack. Do you? :eek:
It Depends…
In its broadest sense, the term ‘farrier’ refers to someone who fabricates iron(Fe)(and now steel, aluminum and other materials, boots, excepted) into objects that are, after propertrimming a horse’s hooves,( properly)attached to said hooves.
We are no talking broad sense of the discription of what a farrier is. You asked for definition. Please be more precise.__________________
Since that is an accepted definition,accepted by whom? then it stands that anyone engaging in that activity is, by definition, a farrier.
Nuances are left to the discretion/interpretation/imagination of the provider and purchaser.
What nuances are you speaking of ? Please be precise.[/QUOTE]
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I love it when you use big words. :lol:
Easy boys… 
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I love it when you use big words. :lol:[/QUOTE]
:lol: You caught that? :eek::o
Charlie, you quoted a Wikipedia article re: the definition of the word Farrier. On the top of the Wiki page, it states “This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed.”
The article isn’t even complete, yet you think that’s a reliable source of information?
Also, on your very own website, you state “http://www.hoofrehab.com/ - Pete Ramsey knows a horse’s lower limbs and hooves better than anybody.”
You might want to contact Pete RAMEY, not Pete RAMSEY. Or correct the spelling of his last name on your website, at the very least…
I am curious as to how a farrier can cover the states of PA, NJ and NY. That’s a HUGE territory.
Over the years I’ve edited some of that myself and updated a few citations including one minor correction today.
Yep. Peter Ramsey also directed"Monsters vs Aliens: Mutant Pumpkins from Outer Space"
Only his close personal friends call him “Pete.”
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Over the years I’ve edited some of that myself and updated a few citations including one minor correction today.[/QUOTE]
Exactly my point. Anyone can log in and change anything on a Wikipedia page…doesn’t matter if they know anything about the subject at hand! I’ve gone in and changed a few things over the years as well (including removing profanity on a page related to children’s cancer).
ETA: Tom, didn’t mean to infer you didn’t know anything about the subjects on the pages you corrected. I re-read my post and realized it sounded like I directed it toward you - I apologize! I was trying to make the point that any person could just change things - and they may not be accurate.
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Charlie, you quoted a Wikipedia article re: the definition of the word Farrier. On the top of the Wiki page, it states “This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed.”
I feel the definition is acurate enough for this thread
The article isn’t even complete, yet you think that’s a reliable source of information?
Yes,but if you find a hole in the definition, as you said you may correct it.
Also, on your very own website, you state “http://www.hoofrehab.com/ - Pete Ramsey knows a horse’s lower limbs and hooves better than anybody.”
You are observant, but you have the wrong guy!!:no: That is my eldest son you will see he uses Jr. and thank you I will bring the miss spelling to his attention.:yes:You might want to contact Pete RAMEY, not Pete RAMSEY. Or correct the spelling of his last name on your website, at the very least…
I am curious as to how a farrier can cover the states of PA, NJ and NY. That’s a HUGE territory.
We do cover parts of all 3 states, we live in the corners, and if the price is right…I cover them all, all the way…[/QUOTE]
Any more questions I can help you with?
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Any more questions I can help you with?[/QUOTE]
Nope, no more questions, thanks. You can see how the name issue gets confusing as on the “Welcome” page of your website, it says “ABOUT ME: My name is Charlie Piccione Jr.” and then a few inches below that, it says: “PLEASE CONTACT ME: Charlie Piccione E-Mail: charliesbarn@live.com; Phone: 908-319-7198”
The cool thing about that is that generally Wikipedia’s information works out to be a reliable source - because it is checked and corrected and updated constantly and therefore under constant scrutiny. Kind of like the eBay feedback system.
You can’t go back and edit a text book or a dictionary once it’s published with incorrect information. And it could be years before an updated/corrected reference is placed in circulation.
Charles Piccione’s Experience
Platinum Marketing Group / Sales
ReMax 100 Realestate
October 2006 – Present (5 years 3 months)
Marketing Residential,Commercial and Farm Properties in the Greater Lehigh Valley and NorthWest New Jersey.
Lic: NJ and PA, ABR and SRS certified
I had an 18 hand shire that foundered a in June of 2010. I definitely would not want to live through it again, but if the mare was managed properly then she would be fine. If it wasn’t for my diligence with wrapping and stall rest, and him laying down as much as possible, and having an amazing farrier, he would not have made it through as wonderful as he did, plus he was young.
But it will all depend on what you would want to do with her.
I sold my shire recently and was vetted and vetted just fine, a little rotation, but you couldn’t even tell with out a program the vet had. He sank a little bit laterally. I would def recommend doing x-rays yourself before committing.
With the proper farrier and the right care you will be fine.
Clyde, the shire, was on NO special IR diet. He was just fine. I have read and have been told that they only truly need to be on a IR diet if its chronic. My shire’s laminitis was triggered by a stressful event plus the heat of the summer in 2010, so he is NOT chronic and is totally sound.
just my two cents.
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