OK, I reread the OP. If you are cantering right and leg yield AGAINST the canter lead are you not yielding right? Leg yielding left is easy in canter right. Just ooze out on the circle. Perhaps clarify what you really mean?
Left leg yield means move away from the left leg. Right leg yield is the opposite.
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I think youâre right, at least in a dressage sense. Iâve only recently started dressage and had a western (reining) background before, so there are many things Iâm re-learning, not that one is more correct than the other, but there are different goals obviously.
In reining, a lot of horses are initially taught changes by counter-cantering and basically pushing their hip the other way (over-simplified version) - but I would hardly call it âflingingâ. You exaggerate to teach and the end result is a lot more subtle. But reining horses are obviously not taught to do tempis so Iâm sure thatâs a factor in why the changes are taught differently.
I can see how you might think that!
As mentioned before I do understand the difference between the above - when I said âis it possible for a horse to maintain the inside lead in the canter whileleg yielding (or doing travers)the opposite way?â I didnât mean that LY and travers are the same - I meant is it possible for a horse to be doing LY or travers when theyâre not on the inside lead.
I really enjoyed watching that horse and rider. Thanks for sharing 
And this is what de Kunffy calls the plie - it creates bend in the inside hind leg in the canter.
B [/B]This statement above, where âleg yieldingâ is subsequently defined as âdoing travers,â clearly highlights the point that you donât understand the differences between the two movements.
B [/B]Leg yield = one movement. Travers = a different movement. And the two are NOT the sameâŠor why (parentheses) do you define LY by ("doing travers)???..
B[/B] a, b, c, d⊠[INDENT]B[/B] A horse on a right lead (for example) will lead with the right front as this is the âinside lead.â
B[/B] A âtraversâ (haunches in) is done by moving the haunches in the direction of that lead (eg., the horse moves the haunches to the RIGHT). This can be done while the horse is traveling straight or in a circle or the right.
B[/B] A âtraversâ (half pass) the horse moves the INTO the inside lead (eg., the horse moves forward and sideways to the RIGHT) while bent RIGHT.
B[/B] A Leg Yield while in right lead canter, the horse moves forward and sideways towards the LEFT while bent RIGHT eg., away from the inside leadâŠ(or travel sideways and forward while remaining straight)
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The video, ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO8FqtqAWEY ) clearly shows the difference between a leg-yield and a travers (half-pass).
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Oh good grief. I appreciate you trying to help but if I have to break down every part of every word in every sentence in order for you to understand my question, then I have to ask if weâre even speaking the same language.
I did notdefine leg yielding as the travers. The reason I added in parentheses âor doing traversâ was because I wanted to ask the same question I asked about the leg yield, about the travers.
As in (because I know I will need to simplify this further), 1) is it possible for a horse to leg yield in the opposite direction of the lead theyâre on, and 2) is it possible for a horse to travers/renvers in the opposite direction of the lead theyâre on? Since when does adding parentheses following a phrase/word automatically imply itâs a definition of what preceded it?
If I take your statement here - âA horse on a right lead (for example)â - is âright leadâ now automatically the same thing as âfor exampleâ just because you had it in parentheses??
Read this article on proper parenthesis use - https://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/parens.asp.
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From the above link:
Rule 1. Use parentheses to enclose information that clarifies or is used as an aside.
And to answer your questionsâŠThe answer is YES!..to both your questions.
Is it possible for a horse to leg yield in the opposite direction of the lead theyâre on? YES (this is called the plie)
Is it possible for a horse to travers/renvers in the direction of the lead theyâre on? YES (to travers, not renver)
I donât even understand the logic of these questions.
You know what OP, you horse can canter in any crooked way it wants. Just keep him straight!
:lol:
@pluvinel As for the « plie » (how do you guys even pronounce it?), would you have a excerpt of some sort for me to read⊠because to me, it puts back the horse into a SI position, to straighten the HP.
I totally thought she meant leg yielding in from the wall because that is so much harder than leg yielding out!! Leg yielding from QL/CL is pretty easyâŠ
OP - when you leg yield, the leg you are yielding away from is at the girth. It should not slide back at any gait. I think this was causing confusion when you were talking about changing your legs. No matter what leg you are yielding away from, it should be at the girth. Therefore doing a canter leg yield from QL/CL out to the wall should be super straightforward for the horse.
It doesnât sound like you should be doing flying changes on this horse at all if he cannot leg yield from the QL to the wall. You have to be able to move their body parts around and be able to hold whichever canter lead you want before moving on to flying changes.
MTA: as Pluvinel said, a half pass is just travers on a diagonal line. All those GP horses you see doing half passes are doing travers. A horse can absolutely do travers around the inside leg and they should be able to do renvers (haunches out) prior to doing changes, too.
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No SI. Just back and forth LY out against lead then HP in until he falls on shoulder then LY out to pick up that inside shoulder. No change of bend (well, the LY is SLIGHTLY straighter). No change of anything except direction of travel.
(Unless you want to call the LY a SI - but itâs NOT. Much more sideways. Not like the trot stairstep exercise using SI to fix HP.
