Lesson Barns in Southern NH....Thoughts on these

“Biomechanics” I think is just the buzzword du jour. Like “Synergy” was back in the 1990s in the business world.

I looked up biomechanics as it relates to riding, and it seems to be applied to mean good, basic, fundamental, equitation and riding skills. It is not a specific method or methodology, as such. Its just a froo froo buzzword to mean you were taught to correctly use your aids - legs, seat, hands, core and your brain, to have a successful partnership with a horse.

@KingRocker4Life , honestly, I’d ditch the buzzwords, have an open mind, and go audit (and take) a few lessons at Senator Bell. The place sounds wonderful.

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There is good riding, in which the rider can signal alot to the horse by seat and legs, and doesn’t necessarily always use the reins first to turn or to halt or to slow (but certainly does use them if the horse blows through the other aids). This is true in jumpers, dressage, and western performance disciplines. For instance, jumpers at speed need to turn off the outside aids, not get pulled around by the inside rein, or they will get off balance. You can half halt a well schooled dressage or jumper horse by sitting up and engaging your core. You can make a reining horse slide with weight and no reins.

This is just good riding. Unfortunately, it takes a while to be a good enough rider that your seat and weight cues can be meaningful to the horse. If you are wobbling all over the place that’s a lot of white noise for the horse to process, and a lesson horse that interpreted every bobble of a beginning rider as a cue to halt, to turn, or to canter would be too fine turned for the job. Beginner riders need blunt cues, and the opening or leading rein is the basic cue for turning, just like you really do put pressure on the reins to halt. Beginner riders need to learn these basic aids on a quiet and somewhat deadhead horse. When the rider has an independent seat then they can start to learn how to turn, slow, and halt a horse off weight and seat and leg aids. But the rein aids remain as backup, and as Dr. Andrew McClean points out, the rein aids are where the horse learns to give to pressure (negative reinforcement) and the weight aids are secondary learned after the rein aids. This is true when you break a colt. BTW I really recommend Dr. McClean for the best current overview of how horses learn and the different training modailities. Getting those straight in your head will prevent a lot of confusion later.

OP, as a beginner rider you need to recognize that you may be taught some things at the start that you will discard or modify as your riding improves over time. But until you yourself have a truly independent seat and independent use of the aids, you will indeed be more reliant on rein aids than a very experienced rider on a highly tuned horse.

I have found that horses just naturally learn the weight aids as you go along riding them, if (big if) your seat and weight are consistent such that you are always looking in the direction you want to go, and never behind or infront of the movement. I was amazed the first time I dropped my reins to the buckle and realized I could ride patterns with my mare just by looking where I wanted to go, because the weight of my head was enough of a signal. Now this only works if she is totally co-operative that day. if she wants to go beg carrots from someone standing at the gate, or wants to go sniff n squeal one of the other horses, then yup the reins come back into play big time.

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It could be a buzz word now but whenever I was learning biomechanics in conjunction with riding its been about the RIDER’S biomechanics.

Spurs and a whip are tools. Obviously the OP had a bad experience when she first started out. That being said OP, ditch the baggage. The past is the past and go into these trial lessons with an open mind.

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Actually I understand biomechanics to mean thinking about the functional conformation of the horse and how to school the horse to get the most out of his potential. This is clearly not how the OP’s coaches have used the term, though. I think it must just be a new buzzword.

Well that has always been a part of my lessons, but without the buzz word. Most of the conversations I’ve had using the word “biomechanics” have been about me and learning exercises to do off the horse to make me a more effective rider. This is dating back some 15+ years. I’ve had several trainers with degrees in Kinesiology.

OK, that makes sense too.

It’s always hard to parse out, talking to a beginner like OP, if they got actual bad instruction at a previous barn or if they got very basic instruction and now that they’ve advanced a little, they think that was all wrong when in fact it was appropriate enough to their level. If I think back over the 5 years I was in regular lessons on lesson horses as a returning rider I would absolutely say that the horses I rode were better quality year over year :slight_smile: but really I was just able to get more out of them, most likely.

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It’s hard to remember exactly what we thought as beginners. We all know we sucked. :lol: But it’s a different world with the internet. Beginners can google and regurgitate to seem more advanced than they are. Horses will always humble. And this BB will always humble.

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So, my trainer John and Lisa Toli were and still are trained by Holly Mason, they have pics even. So, I don’t know how you all define Biomechanics but to me and my trainers and Holly herself all know that Biomechanics is not a “buzz” word when I am using it.

All I’m saying is that the term “biomechanics” may not be a term that every single outstanding, capable, well respected, experienced trainer uses to describe their training method and that you shouldn’t simply eliminate a trainer because they don’t use your terminology.

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Who is Holly Mason?

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Check it out. Before you were alive I learned about my biomechanics to make the horse I had at the time better. She was never going to be great in the show world but she was a great horse. I miss her everyday.
Do not name drop here. Be humble. Take in the free advice. Quit acting like you know a lot because many posting here, HAVE BEEN RIDING LONGER THAN YOU’VE BEEN ALIVE.

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The info on her (Holly Mason) website below says she is in Rhode Island. So I doubt the OP is receiving training directly from her.

http://www.dressagebydesign.com/index.html

Ok looked up the website. If it’s the right Holly she is a dressage trainer with a book that says right on her website that biomechanics is just another way of saying solid old school riding and her use of the term is how human and horse body interact. All sounds correct and not particularly unusual for the more thoughtful ends of dressage. She may be a wonderful teacher. But there’s lots of people out there with these ideas and skills, and not all give them this label.

Conversely it’s the easiest thing in the world for a charlatan or an incompetent to snow clients with a buzzword like this.

Always look at what’s really happening and being done not at what people say they are doing.

Also this use of the term biomechanics is more common in dressage, not so common in jumpers. But don’t assume no jumper trainers know anything because they use different terms.

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So John and Lisa Toli were your instructors when they worked at this farm;https://www.oakrisehorsefarm.com/
which makes sense since they are not mentioned there and you said they had resigned and left for a friend’s property.

Your, now former, trainer has this USEF record; https://www.usef.org/search/people/display/5273368
Her husband that you trained with has no record with USEF.

These records are an example of what is available online that you, and especially your parents, should be looking at when you are choosing an instructor and a barn.

It is also of great importance that your parents should be consulting the USEF Safe Sport list to make sure that you are learning in a safe environment. :yes:

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I don’t think that link works if you aren’t a USEF member?

It works if you have a fan membership - because that is what I have (not a regular paid membership).

News Flash OP: “biomechanics” is as old as classical horse riding itself, it’s the natural physics of working together with a horse. This is not a new concept, just because today we call are calling it biomechanics. If you and your horse are not working together it will be obvious. Cues should be as soft and invisible as possible, that’s the whole point of using proper body mechanics to communicate and support the horse. That is what we are taught, and should be taught, since day one. Call it what you want, but that is simply what riding is all about.

Any proper, successful trainer will be able to teach you, an advanced beginner, how to start riding with tact and using “biomechanics”. If that is the goal for your riding, then you should find it at Senator Bell. It’s a wonderful place. I would also suggest you go in with an attitude of learning and an open mind because it’s a nice place with nice riders and nice horses. As a kid I wanted so badly to ride there but it was too far for me.

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Are you a member of USEF? If not, someone here will be able to find a code that you can enter on the USEF website to become a “fan” member.
It is free (with the code) and will allow you to see all the videos on the USEF website.

You can also watch live, and recorded horse shows. The big equitation finals are coming up soon, and they are great classes to watch and learn from.

The membership will allow you and your parents to search the show, and Safe Sport records of people that you are considering as potential riding instructors.

Does anyone have the latest code? Is there an age requirement to join?.

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I believe a fan membership is $20 or something like that.

According to USEF, Lisa Toli, over the last 10 years, has ~13 competitions listed between 2013-2016. One was at novice, every other one she’s listed as competing at beginner novice.

Also some connection to Western Dressage at that last farm?

Not a world beater clearly but could be just fine for teaching beginner basics