A New Horse
Preciado claimed one yesterday at the Pha for La Buzz.
Wow. I take back everything nice I said about La Buzz for their half-assed apology on this site.
To continue with Preciado, who is a known butcher, says all we need to know about La Buzz Stables.
We were actually looking at that horse, but Repole Stables horses tend to a bit on the lame side IMO. 1st tier races in NY, 2nd tier at the PHA, and 3rd tier in Penn National.
P.S. Based on La Buzz’s response to sending a horse to slaughter, maybe Preciado dropped the claim slip without their knowledge.
Ditch the Witch is a filly with layoff gaps between every start. She is now in a barn that will use the most aggressive vet work possible to keep her going. She will continue to travel poorly, but because her form shows her to be a hard tryer, she will win cheaply for Preciado. For how long before she disappears is the question.
You are also right about the Repole horses at the Pha- they claim a lot of classy but questionable horses on the drop, and their breakdown rate seems to be higher than normal. Kid Lemonade broke down in the 7th today at the Pha.
It’s the same logic that keeps us from eating our dogs and cats. We, as a country have concluded that we have pets, and we have meat animals. It’s not really that complicated or bizarre at all. We don’t eat people either - and we’re meat. Horses for most Americans, fall into the pet catagory (along with parrots, monkeys and a myriad of other animals we chose not to eat). I don’t get why people who say “I don’t get it, it’s just livestock”, don’t get it. It’s really simple. We don’t eat horse meat in this country because it freaks the average American out. Just like Warren Jeffs freaks out the average American; sure there are a few people in America that believe it’s ok to breed young women - but it’s not a difference of opinion, it’s our cultural norm that has dictated that marrying 14 year olds is not allowed. If you are a supporter of eating horse meat in this country, YOU are the minority. Otherwise, it would be a norm. If you think eating horse meat is great - you are peobably used to people looking at you strange. It cracks me up when people think it’s a difference of opinion. No, it’s a difference in what is culturally acceptable, decided by a republic of people.
That was a great post, hundredacres :yes:
I’m sure County is in the minority with most of his views. He just doesn’t get it (which is why I changed my signature a few days ago).
I haven’t read this whole thread because those who have opinions about slaughter are NOT going to change their minds because of anything I have to say. But here goes - I understand and agree with the statement that Americans don’t want to eat horses, just like they don’t want to eat dogs & cats, and I also wish ALL dogs & cats, just like ALL horses could live out their lives in good homes. . . BUT, we as a society have come to accept that dogs & cats have to be put down because there aren’t enough good homes for them, so why can’t people agree that the same should be done for unwanted horses ? I would MUCH rather see a horse humanely put down than to live in pain or suffering ! How is that any different than a dog or cat ? Besides which, horses live longer AND are more expensive to take care of ? Personally I don’t care if those bodies are then used to feed someone in another country, but that’s not the point, we need a reasonably priced method to dispose of unwanted horses, just as we have for our other pets. If we don’t have that in the US, people will do whatever is easiest and cheapest for them when they can’t care for a horse any longer. . .
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If we don’t have that in the US, people will do whatever is easiest and cheapest for them when they can’t care for a horse any longer. . .[/QUOTE]
And those people would get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
If you can’t pay to have a horse put down, then you shouldn’t have a horse.
Nlevie–I don’t quarrel with your logic that equates horses with dogs and cats, but I think you’re overlooking the slaughter process for horses. If they were carefully put down in a non-stressful manner, it would be one thing, but that is NOT what happens to them.
Have you not seen the photos or videos of horses crammed in double-decker trailers designed for pigs and cattle? Have you not seen the misery caused by the horrific treatment at low rent auction houses? Have you not seen videos of horses being repeatedly hit with a captive bolt? If not, I can direct you to the evidence of what horses go through in the slaughter process. Then, after seeing that with your very own eyes, I would like for you to tell me how slaughter equates with being humanely put to sleep.
If your point is that humane euthanasia really should be provided for unplaceable horses, that’s fine with me. One (or more) of the rescue organizations does have a euthanasia fund for those people who cannot afford to put their horse down. So far, there have been no takers, as far as I know. I’m afraid that people would rather get a few bucks out of their old pal’s carcass than provide an easy way out for that old pal.
In this thread, the owners of Little Cliff claim that they didn’t know their trainer (who has a ghastly reputation for abusing horses) sent their horse to slaughter. Since they know that now, one has to wonder why they are letting him claim another horse in their name–that is if they are aware that has been done.
Overlooked in the “what happened to Big Brown” of the Belmont Stakes press conferences:
Zito praises Guilliams after Belmont
People who worked for years with the late Cliff Guilliams at Kentucky racetracks were highly appreciative of how Nick Zito went out of his way to talk about Guilliams during the post-race media conference at the Belmont Stakes last Saturday.
Guilliams, a longtime racing writer and chartcaller who died suddenly April 12 at age 52, could frequently be seen hanging around the Zito barn at Churchill, particularly on mornings leading up to the Kentucky Derby.
Zito, the trainer of victorious Da’ Tara, said he was dedicating the Belmont to Guilliams, calling him “loyal” and “a special friend . . . a good guy.”
(For those glancing at this thread for the first time - Cliff Guiliams is for whom the horse was named ‘Little Cliff’)
So I guess we should all prepare ourselves for another defensive, self-serving post from whatshername the owner.
—“Have you not seen the photos or videos of horses crammed in double-decker trailers designed for pigs and cattle? Have you not seen the misery caused by the horrific treatment at low rent auction houses? Have you not seen videos of horses being repeatedly hit with a captive bolt? If not, I can direct you to the evidence of what horses go through in the slaughter process. Then, after seeing that with your very own eyes, I would like for you to tell me how slaughter equates with being humanely put to sleep.”—
Have you seen the many, many trailers other traders take their horses to slaughter in, some nicer than many people have that go to shows or the vet?
Have you seen the everyday operation of a slaughterhouse, or only those snippets the animal right’s groups put out, most edited and taken out of context and put forth in their propaganda for shock purposes, not to show how normal the process is, uneventful, there are no struggling and misses and all that drama?
The plain, everyday truth doesn’t make good press or incenses certain people to post in forums and donate to the cause, so we don’t get to see that.
Just as the everyday good work rescues is rarely mentioned, but have one starve a bunch of horses and it is drama time.
Perspective, use perspective and THINK, before repeating what those with an ulterior goal plants in your minds.
If you really want to debate slaughter itself, I don’t think to do so here is germane to the discussion on hand, but be my guest.
Well while I don’t think this is necessarily the forum for debating slaughter, as Bluey suggests, I for one am DELIGHTED to see the general response from this board’s racing enthusiasts to this issue and the rescue of Little Cliff.
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If you really want to debate slaughter itself, I don’t think to do so here is germane to the discussion on hand, but be my guest.;)[/QUOTE]
To debate slaughter here is definitely NOT germane and, frankly, it pisses me off. And as one of the people who helped rescue Little Cliff, I think I am entitled to that opinion. Take the debate to another thread please. This is about Little Cliff, his rescue and the events/issues related to it.
I wish I could say I’m surprised that Preciado claimed another horse for LA Buzz but I’m not. Sheila was defending him in her last post here saying he didn’t know where Little Cliff was going. I’m sure that she’ll be vigilant with this horse and any that follow. I’m done scratching my head over this. I guess we all have different ideas about what’s right and what’s wrong, what we’re actually responsible for when it comes to caring for our horses, etc… Maybe my standards are just too high.
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Well while I don’t think this is necessarily the forum for debating slaughter, as Bluey suggests, I for one am DELIGHTED to see the general response from this board’s racing enthusiasts to this issue and the rescue of Little Cliff.[/QUOTE]
Good point…
