We have a client who has her heart set on acquiring a Londonderry mare to breed with.
I have only known 2 Ld’s, both geldings (both somewhat difficult in the temperament, both extremes in the size department - 1 huge, 1 small). I am thinking the dam-line pairing with him is very important. Those of you with experience with Ld mares please chime in! Any insight would be appreciated, thoughts on what dam-lines work with him and what to stay away from, would be great.
I have one, she is three coming four and is from a Rosentau/A line dam. She is really pretty and very blood type (so are both parents so no surprise). She is a more sensitive ride (in a good way) and super easy peasy on the ground, loves people ect.
Pics & info here:
http://svhanoverians.com/LondonReign.html
She also has a full sister that is for sale and has been under saddle for two years and is the kind of horse that your grandma could ride (or so I am told).
On the other hand Shannon Peters told me that they had a few Londonderry’s and all were buckers/cold backed (but nice horses). I also recently got offered a Londonderry mare for very cheap because she piled her trainer and sent her into ICU (but it was an isolated incident, so could have been anything really and nothing to do with breeding) and they were looking to place her as a broodmare. Maybe all just coincidence though, I really don’t know??
We have a Londonderry/Weltmeyer mare that is one of the “classiest” mare’s on the farm. Very good mover in all three gaits but it is her “presence” that sets her apart. We have quite a few mares that think they are Diva’s, but this one truly is…but in a nice way. She can be electric, but only in the best sense of that term. When she goes to horse shows, people follow her around in awe. She had a “Vet” induced issue a couple years back, but is now back under saddle and even more spectacular than before. When I have non-horsey people come visit, it is this Londonderry mare and our Quaterback two year old that they fall in love with. But I am more of a fan of this mare than Londonderry himself. And I do not say this lightly as I have tried to watch every video of a Londonderry offspring in any Auction/Show since I bought this mare in 2003. Now I think I must watch what Lemony’s Nicket produces (-:
Well… she is a pretty impressive example of his offspring. :yes:
It fleshes out my initial hunch that the dam-line is going to be key to finding her the right mare - the two geldings I have personally known were real duds in the temperment department BUT I do not know the dams.
Another question, we also have some Londonderry frozen in the tank and have been waiting for the right mare, who would you suggest using him with; a Dormello, Florencio or Harvard mare? Or try to line-breed on the Lauries Crusador xx with a Mattgold/Lauries Crusador xx/Gimple mare?
ps: Donella I will pm you about that half-sis!
we have a londonderry mare at our farm - belongs to our boarder and she is a doll. Very sweet and easy to work with
What is the damline on the Florencio?
My friend has a very cool Londontime (by Londonderry) x Florencio x Donnerhall:
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What is the damline on the Florencio?
My friend has a very cool Londontime (by Londonderry) x Florencio x Donnerhall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG3H2vEkOlo[/QUOTE]
She is by Florencio out of our Dormello/Donnershwee mare :lol: it could be a date!
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What is the damline on the Florencio?
My friend has a very cool Londontime (by Londonderry) x Florencio x Donnerhall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG3H2vEkOlo[/QUOTE]
Beautiful. It’s also refreshing to see a horse lunged properly. :yes:
My mare is the one that Bravestrom is talking about!
Lindi is out of a Warkant mare. Here is her pedigree
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/lindanderry
She is a very level headed mare, can be a bit spooky and looky, but not cold backed, and has never bucked, even tho I have given her pleanty of reasons to!!
Carerra, who bred you mare ?
I think I owned the fullbrother to that Westgote mare in her ! Loved him, as he was the horse with the best temperament one could imagine.
I would need to look it up though, but Drusentanne sounds very familiar !
Edit: I looked at the paper of that gelding. I was right. I added the pedigreeinformation that I have I just can not read one stallion in the papers. Handwriting is awful 
I will check out another datasource as soon as the new Fn yearbook is available next week
I have a Londonderry mare out of a Davignon/A Jungle Prince damline who is VERY tall. She is 4 1/2 and has just been started under saddle as she had a foal last spring. She is as sweet and willing as they come and I can’t think of a single time in her life she has said NO to anything. She is very sensitive and has a bit of an insecure/worrier type personality - she is very much a follower and gets her confidence from other horses or her handlers. She needs to be introduced to new things and progress in a slow, quiet manner; however she is not looky or spooky. Under saddle she is very sensitive and forward and is not the type who can tolerate amateur mistakes but if she has a tactful rider she is more than happy to do whatever you want her to do. She has never bucked and does not seem to be cold backed at all. I think she has a wonderful temperament but is certainly not a horse for everyone as she is too sensitive.
My mare was bred by Sharon Beard out of the Uxbridge area. I believer the farm is Briar Ridge Hannovarians.
My girl is a chunky 16.2hh and did her MPT at 3. She did ok , not sure she has enough prep going into it.
Interesting to hear about Shannon Peters’ experience with Londonderry offspring, as I have also heard of more than a few with a propensity for bucking. And I believe the Londonderry stallion Lord Albert was gelded for that very reason.
I am glad to hear about the easy ones! Maybe the rideability is being very much determined by the damline - ???
To the extent there is a temperament issue, it seems it is something that can be managed with careful breeding choices. The Londonderry mares I know are super in every way but I have heard stories about others (but mostly on COTH, fwiw).
My Hotline mare is out of a Londonderry x Wittinger mare. Both my mare and her dam have excellent characters, and the dam is a very consistent producer of high quality offspring ( to the point that each year there are multiple people requesting custom breedings).
There was one for sale out here at an area breeders, but I just checked their website before posting it - she sold. She was going under saddle, I don’t know all the details, but I don’t think she was “cold backed” - a bit of the hot, sensitive, looky type, needed more miles before she would be a solid show horse, but lovely mover, and very pretty. Never saw her “bronc” which is what I’d expect from a cold backed horse.
I have a Londonderry out of my Rubinstein I/ Sendbote/ Darwin mare Rubizza. She was a July foal, so will not be three until mid summer 2012. She stands a shade over 16.2 now. She is very leggy, quite correct, has a lot of suspension, but not as much roundness in the knee as my Fidertanz filly of the same year. She is quite an energetic girl, and will probably be a sensitive, forward ride, but is also very sweet and tries very hard to please.
These pics were taken in fall 2010, when she was about 15 months old:
http://homeagainfarm.com/images/lilyana_conf10_10.jpg
We have a Londonderry/Weltmeyer/Shogun xx mare we imported as a foal from the 2003 Elite Hanoverian Foal And Broodmare Auction. She is the queen of the farm. The one the non-horsey people google over as she “struts” through the fields. We showed her successfully in hand and under saddle until a slight suspensory issue which was rehabed in an aqua treadmill turned into the most horrid series of events that put her in the field for two years. Anyway, the mare was and will be once again an amazing show horse. She is sensitive but never takes advantage of her rider or handler. Completely honest and not a bucker. She is a very big mover and when young was on the narrow/long side, so her balance was not the best. But take her to a show and put her in a ring, and she had people following her around like a rock star. She is a born performer. She also is a good broodmare. Weakest gait when younger was canter but that is not so much the case any more. I have watched videos of Londonderry offspring for the last eight years and the only one I would trade her for is Lemony’s Nicket (-:
http://www.crosiadorefarm.com/Crosiadore_farm/Lowara.html
I love the “head”…very regal… and the type Londonderry adds. Front leg does seem to be flatter. Mine has the type of Londonderry but moves more like a Weltmeyer. I would use Londonderry on the mare that needs refinement put already brings ridability, good canter and free shoulder to the equation.
can I chime in and say I LOVE Londondenderry mares 
Here is one of mine EM Luck Be A Lady at her recent performance test (dam is SPS Warkant/Argantan)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgJvac_RZ8I&list=UUkXJvCzJGcCLtLDy3f_GNoQ&feature=plcp
Also have SPS Ladybug (Lononderry/Wittinger/Grande) also a SUPER producer (YL has her Hotline Daughter)
also owned a Londonderry/Weltmeyer mare that I loved! (lost her to colic 3 years ago),. Did import her full brother for a friend.
They are not horses for everyone! can be sensitive, BUT when you have a good one, my godness, they will do anything for you! I am 100% with ELiza and Nancy in their assement.
none of mine were buckers I will chime in!
As a side note, bred 2 mares in Germany to Londontime. Have seen so many good ones from him!
I do like Londonderry as a sire - and would love to try Londontime. Very impressed with what he is turning out.
Emy, I would not use him on your Florencio - I think she is too fine-boned. I think a Harvard mare or perhaps your Dormello would be a better match. I don’t know which Harvard you are considering, but if she is mellow in temperament, that is good. Londonderry did very well with the Brentano mares - a bit of “like to like” , but also, the mellow temperaments and great rideability of the Brentano offspring (and some substance, even with all the TB in Brentanbo), made them great matches for Londonderry (and Sandro Hit, for the same reasons).
I have seen sone cxow-hockes on Londonderry babies (small sample, so maybe totally irrelevant), so correct back legs on the dam would also be a plus.
Just got this new pic of my Londonderry filly. I see so much of her mama Rubizza in her, but in a taller, leggier version.
