Longines Horse Crashes Through Oxer Twice

[Eilsel]

Probably a long shot, but I saw a video shared on facebook and now I can’t find it again to do more reseearch. I wanted to see if anyone recognizes what I’m talking about because I can’t remember who the horse/rider was, where the show was, or who shared it, and to boot the page they shared it from was in Russian so I don’t even know what the caption said. :uhoh:

It was a grey horse possibly ridden by an Irish rider, and I remember Longines advertisements in the arena. He was having a decent round, one rail down, and then came a big line, a triple combination long ride to a beige oxer. The horse misread the oxer and pretty much just plowed through it, breaking a pole in the process. The buzzer sounded and they rebuilt the jump and he approached again, only to miss again, this time he fell off.

Does anyone know who/what I’m talking about and maybe can link to the video?

And then my main question… the first time he crashed through but didn’t refuse… the horse just continued through the standards- I’m curious why he had to re-jump the jump instead of just receiving faults, because he didn’t refuse. Is this an FEI rule?

Thanks!

[Xctrygirl]

@Eilsel

Probably a long shot, but I saw a video shared on facebook and now I can’t find it again to do more reseearch. I wanted to see if anyone recognizes what I’m talking about because I can’t remember who the horse/rider was, where the show was, or who shared it, and to boot the page they shared it from was in Russian so I don’t even know what the caption said. :uhoh:

It was a grey horse possibly ridden by an Irish rider, and I remember Longines advertisements in the arena. He was having a decent round, one rail down, and then came a big line, a triple combination long ride to a beige oxer. The horse misread the oxer and pretty much just plowed through it, breaking a pole in the process. The buzzer sounded and they rebuilt the jump and he approached again, only to miss again, this time he fell off.

Does anyone know who/what I’m talking about and maybe can link to the video?

And then my main question… the first time he crashed through but didn’t refuse… the horse just continued through the standards- I’m curious why he had to re-jump the jump instead of just receiving faults, because he didn’t refuse. Is this an FEI rule?

Thanks!

I know the video but haven’t looked for the link. The triple is a combination question. Thus if you complete A but not B, or C, you must retake the whole obstacle.

Em

[Eilsel]

I’m familiar with that, I guess it wasn’t clear in the first post, there was a triple combination and then maybe 4 strides to an oxer, he crashed through the oxer. Even if it was a part of the combination under normal jumper rules he wouldn’t have had to jump it again as he didn’t actually refuse. It’s killing me I gotta find this video and see if the comments clear up my confusion!

[DMK]

(having not seen the video) maybe there was sufficient hesitation off the ground that the ground jury declared it a refusal?

[DMK]

is it possible it was Bertram Allen at the EU championships? He fell and hurt himself and had a grey horse (and Longines was a sponsor)

[MHM]

I believe there is something in the jumper rules that says the horse has to make an effort to leave the ground. Otherwise it’s scored as a refusal. So if he just plowed through it, maybe that was why it was scored that way. Without seeing the video, that’s just a guess.

[adultammylife]

It was Bertram Allen with Hector van d’abdijhoeve at the European Championships. They crashed through it the first time, looked like they basically cantered through it. Second time, they jumped more up than across and couldn’t clear the back bar - both fell but walked out of the arena on their own two/four feet. Bertram retired from competition the next day.

[RugBug]

DMK is right. It’s Betram Allen

[RugBug]

G’ah…none of the functions are working for me: It’s Bertram Allen.

I watched it last night, but didn’t see the crash (my iPad froze). First crash was more like the horse started to jump, got his front end up enough for a small fence (like maybe 2’6") and then went ‘nope, not going to make it’ and plowed through it all.

I’m kind of glad I didn’t see the second attempt (I knew he had come off as that was where the video was previewing: rider on the ground)

[CindyCRNA]

I think this is the video at about the 1:45 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpZj7z9Jgh4

[Polydor]

@CindyCRNA

I think this is the video at about the 1:45 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpZj7z9Jgh4

I don;t think this is the one we are talking about. This one was back in January.

P.

[Xctrygirl]

OK I found this last night on my FEI Tv subscription. For those who want to see the ride in question it’s on the on demand video from the European Championships in Gothenburg Sweden. It was the Team Jumping part 1 video from 8/24. Bertram’s round is at 2:49 on the feed.

Now a couple points… I wouldn’t have said this was a good round going into the oxer. He was having to really get after the horse in more than a couple spots. The horse in turn was doing a few agitated bucks after some big landings.

Having watched it a few times the reason they had to re-jump the oxer is that the horse started to take off the first time but then put his legs back down and as such did NOT make a jumping effort. Ergo, he had to jump it again once it was rebuilt. That didn’t go much better, and they both went down.

Em