Looking at a career change- good trail saddle?

I am thinking in the near future that I will be retiring my old warmblood from competitive jumping/dressage to trail riding. I know nothing about saddles outside of jumping and dressage, but I definitely know I don’t want to use my current jumping saddle for daily trail rides- not super comfy.

What kind of saddle should I be looking at that is fairly inexpensive, and would fit a WB with a good sized shark fin wither but also pretty wide? I’ve been googling for the past few days, and come up with a variety of western/endurance/trail saddles, but it’s all so new and a little overwhelming :lol:

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Well first it depends on what your idea of inexpensive is :lol: There are so many good trail saddles out there and many of the best brands come in all shapes and sizes. One of my favorites that you may like is the Eli Miller Buena Vista saddle. You can find them pretty easily used in the $400-$700 range. They are super comfy, secure, great quality and have plenty of D-rings for tying on gear, breast collar, saddle bags etc. They frequently pop up on ebay and craigslist.

This is what mine looks like but there are all sorts of variations. You can find them with western fenders and they can be found without the horn. He also made an Endurance style saddle that is pretty dang comfortable but a little harder to come by.

http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy145/mariafrs122/Tattoo%20and%20tack/NewSaddle005.jpg

Hillcrest Saddlery makes a really nice Kentucky Spring Seat saddle, probably one of the most comfortable saddles I’ve ever planted my rear end in. They are pricey and good luck finding one used but so worth the money.

http://www.hillcrestsaddlery.com/kentucky-springseat-saddle.php

If you want to stick with an English saddle this may sound a bit odd but the old German M25 cavalry saddles make awesome trail saddles. They pop up on ebay a lot in the militaria section often refurbished and ready to ride. Even if not they are designed to be taken apart quickly and are easy to work on. Again very comfortable saddles with plenty of D-rings and since they were made for field use they are very durable. Mine is a size 4 and fits my rotund, high withered mare perfectly. Here is one of several listed for sale now (this one is a size 3):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/111352460476?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

If you think you would like a western saddle there are all sorts to choose from. The older Bighorn saddles are nice as are Circle Y and Dixieland for starters.

Ortho-Flex saddles get mixed reviews but are generally considered nice. I’ve got an Ortho-Flex Patriot and have no complaints. Very comfortable and fits a decent variety of horses. They are expensive though and hard to find accessories for.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=m570.l3201&_nkw=ortho+flex+saddle&_sacat=0

Awesome, thank you for the info :smiley: By inexpensive, I mean ideally I would like to spend no more than $800, but also wary that you get what you pay for, so looking at used with really no idea what I’m exactly looking for.
Before starting this thread I read in another thread from years ago a good review for a Wintec endurance saddle, and was thinking of test riding the one from SmartPak. But then really unsure what to look for in fit for horse/rider vs. the saddles I’m used to. Western saddles I’m completely clueless, just know that there are different sizes of bars.

Right now I am just taking him out bareback on property and it works fine, but eventually I would like to take him out and feel a little more secure doing so.

depending on what type of dressage saddle you have, it might work well for you.

If you look at western saddles don’t fall for the QH bars/Semi-QH bars/etc. schtick. There is no industry standard for bars in western saddles so what qualifies as one type of bars with one brand can end up being a drastically different size in another brand. They have all types of bars…Arabian, Gaited, Haflinger, Quarter Horse, semi-this and semi-that…always try the size you are considering only in the brand you are considering and never assume another brand with the same bars will fit the same way.

On the upside since trail saddles tend to not be on the fancy side you can get a lot more bang for your buck with $800 than you would shopping for a show saddle. Actually you can get a heck of a nice used saddle for that amount.

I know people that love and swear by their Wintecs but personally I’m not a big fan. From what I’ve seen of them they just don’t stand up to hard use like other heavier duty saddles. Of course that is just my opinion and a Wintec may be perfect for the type and frequency of riding you plan on doing. It could also be a good stepping stone on your journey to finding a really great trail saddle that you love and will last a lifetime. Of course for what you would spend on a new Wintec you could easily snap up one of those German M25’s or a gently used Eli Miller.

If you’ve got trail riding buddies ask them if they’ll let you take a test spin in their favorite saddle. If you know any gaited horse riders ask them too, the really good “gaited horse saddles” are an absolute dream for trail riding and contrary to what some will tell you they do not spontaneously combust if you put them on a trotting horse.:lol:

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depending on what type of dressage saddle you have, it might work well for you.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately I no longer have my dressage saddle, which makes me sad as it would have been ideal :frowning:

Great to know that on the bars… reading about it gave me a headache! I think I may do a test ride in the Wintec (I worked with one guy who went in a Wintec dressage saddle, I didn’t hate it :lol:) just to see what the fit is like, and I’m super interested in the German M25. I wish I had more test-riding options around here, but it’s nothing but hunt seat saddles :sigh: one of my BOs rides western, so I may ask to try his, it just might be a bit heavier than I am wanting.

Thorowgood makes a nice endurance saddle. They also have an all purpose that is quite comfy. They make a variety of saddles for hard to fit horses. The saddles are made in England, are wool stuffed and adjustable like the Wintecs. They run around 550 to 700 or 800.

Are you trail riding or going to do endurance? I would look at some barrel or all around type saddles if you are trail riding, especially on hills. A good barrel saddle has wither clearance and can be found to fit the wider shoulders. Wide is a bit of perspective here, my little AQHA mare is the widest horse I have ever had, and been a hard fit to find something wide enough and enough flare for her big shoulders. I do have a nice dressage saddle, very comfy but not for 12 miles.

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Unfortunately I no longer have my dressage saddle, which makes me sad as it would have been ideal :frowning:

Great to know that on the bars… reading about it gave me a headache! I think I may do a test ride in the Wintec (I worked with one guy who went in a Wintec dressage saddle, I didn’t hate it :lol:) just to see what the fit is like, and I’m super interested in the German M25. I wish I had more test-riding options around here, but it’s nothing but hunt seat saddles :sigh: one of my BOs rides western, so I may ask to try his, it just might be a bit heavier than I am wanting.[/QUOTE]

Oh yes the M25s are really neat saddles. Here is a great website that explains sizing and shows the saddle broken down into parts: http://www.mp44.nl/equipment/army_saddle.htm

It also gives you a good idea how to take them apart and reassemble them which is super handy for cleaning and repairs. Everything buckles into place and the entire saddle can be stripped to the tree in a matter of minutes. To give an example of how easy they are to work on I changed a billet on mine last year in five minutes with a multi-purpose tool. If you know how to hand-stitch heavy leather you can even do the stitching yourself with simple tools.

The one thing I’ve heard to watch out for when buying one is the lacing holding the seat strap to the tree. I’ve had a few people tell me they very hard to repair and you will need a professional to do so if they are broken or in poor shape. The upside to that is it is so simple to get to the tree, that cuts down on labor.

The Japanese also made a version of this saddle during WW2 that runs smaller in the seat and overall length than their German counterparts. They are also a simpler design with the saddle flaps attached to the seat. I’ve had two of them and looked at several others, and have noticed that the leather is poorer quality. Also they seem to run quite narrow at least all the ones I’ve looked at so with the size of your horse I don’t know if those would even be an option for you.

The easiest way to tell the Japanese from the German saddle apart from size without taking them apart is to look for the German stamps. The Japanese saddles won’t have any stamps on the outside while German saddles (if they still have the original leather, which most every one I’ve seen does) will have a number stamped on the back of the cantle (1-5 indicating the size), underneath that the Waffenamt (small German eagle with the letters WaA and a three number code underneath) and the year it was produced stamped opposite of that. The two most common Waffenamt marks I’ve come across are WaA706 which indicates the saddle was made by Erste Nordböhmische in the Sudetenland and WaA750 which indicates the saddle was made by G. Passier in Hannover. Also sometimes the tree will bear markings that indicate what division the saddle was issued to.

Like I said before they very comfortable saddles. The suspended seat is awesome and they are virtually indestructible so long as you just give them basic care. I’ve had a few people ask me about mine when out riding and gotten some pretty odd looks after telling them what it is but if you can get past the politics of the people who used them at the end of the day it is just a saddle and a pretty dang well made one at that.

Happy saddle hunting! I hope you find something that fits both you and your horse perfectly!

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Thorowgood makes a nice endurance saddle. They also have an all purpose that is quite comfy. They make a variety of saddles for hard to fit horses. The saddles are made in England, are wool stuffed and adjustable like the Wintecs. They run around 550 to 700 or 800.[/QUOTE]

I have the Thorowgood endurance saddle, and it’s super comfy – I’ve done 50-mile endurance rides in it with no seat saver or sheepskin cover. It’s similar to an all-purpose saddle, so it wouldn’t be like learning another language as far as saddle fitting for you. It has interchangeable gullet plates to fit anything from narrow to wide, and it’s wool flocked. Plenty of clearance for my high-withered guy. Quality construction, made in England, runs $800 brand new.

I’m a huge fan of Australian Saddles (Mine from downunderweb.com is fantastic) and Trooper saddles. I rode in a trooper once and it was like riding a cloud, but I couldn’t find one I like that fit my gaited boy.

I’ve heard great things about Spanish style saddles as well. Saw a woman on the trails this weekend in one and she really raved about it.

I loved a Wintec all-purpose for trail riding. My trainer used it regularly for 15 years, and it was still in great condition. It was a little scuffed up, but that happens with any saddle if you’re not super careful (and could probably have been buffed out - I didn’t know or care to fix that).

The equisuede anchored me into the saddle, and I preferred the deeper seat of the A/P with shortish stirrups. I felt too locked into the saddle when I used a dressage for trail riding. I like to gallop & jump and those aren’t great in a dressage. Western uses totally different muscles, IME, so it’s something to get used to.

Western saddles can be tricky. If you try one, make sure it is shaped for the female pelvis, as the men’s ones are wide in the twist and can be quite uncomfortable for women.
If you like the dressage saddles, get one. I know several endurance riders who use Isabel Werth over long distance rides and they are fine. If you are riding for more than a couple of hours at a time you’ll definitely need a rider-comfysaddle, lol.
I’ve got an endurance saddle which is based on the South African military saddles. It has a ‘floating’ seat- the tree sits on flat pads which mould to the horse’s back and it’s VERY comfortable for an all-day ride.

Some of the older Western saddles are REALLY heavy. I have a Julie Goodnight Circle Y performance saddle, and it’s both lovely and comfy and under 30 lbs.

I’d ride in as many saddles as you can. They key for a trail saddle is comfy for you and the horse. Pretty much any kind of saddle can work for trail, as long as you and the horse like it.

Once you find a comfy saddle, I’d then look for extra rings to tie things too and weight of the saddle.

One thing to consider, especially if you are coming from english land, is that many western saddles (at least to me) put you in a chair seat. You should not have to fight your saddle to keep position. I personally find that I ride with longer stirrups and a very straight ear-hip-heel line while on the trail for comfort.

Another vote for a Thorowgood, though the two I have are a Dressage and a Cob GP. They also make a model specifically for high withered horses.