Hi all, I am looking for a stallion at stud, preferably a warmblood, but I’m also considering tbs, lusitanos, ish, irish draughts, or a high quality sport-type qh/paint/appy. So I suppose I’m not too picky on the breed, but I am very picky about proper conformation and mentality/work ethic/personality. Really not looking for anything very hot. I am mainly looking at “fun” colors, primarily palominos, but also cremellos, buckskins, chestnuts, champagnes, and duns. If not, I would want something to guarantee me a paint. I know this is difficult because many registries are very limited in what colors they allow, but the color isn’t very important to me anyway. Of course, personality and conformation come before color, and I won’t consider breeding to something with poor conformation, a bad personality, or genetic issues no matter what the color. My preferred size would be something between 16.0 and 19.0 hh. I also want something with the breeding and body type for eventing or dressage. I would also prefer shipped semen, rather than life cover. Sorry, As I know this is a lot for a stallion at stud search, but I believe that one should only breed for quality, so I’m being petty picky. Would be bred to a sport horse mare. TIA!
What is your mare?
Why do you think you need to breed her?
How much money do you have to spend on this?
Before you get started, I recommend at the very least you read and memorize and understand Deb Bennet’s book on functional confirmation. Why do different breeds do different things?
The way you are throwing the net so wide suggests you really have no knowledge base about breeds, conformation, or functionality. That’s fine, everyone has to start somewhere.
Is your “sport horse mare” the Percheron cross you were having trouble mounting a few years back?
You need to self educate a lot more before you go out and create a backyard Frankenpony that’s not much good for anything.
Do you have any intelligent adult mentors in your area or are you off on your lonesome in the back of beyond?
QFP
OP, you aren’t making any sense whatsoever…
No.
First off, I just re-read my first post, and got quite confused myself. I apologize, I didn’t re-read, I just typed without really paying attention. Hopefully this clears things up.
As I said, my mare is a registered sport horse (Holsteiner/Trakehner based on DNA), she has quality movement, conformation, and a great work ethic.
I am looking to breed her for a future low to mid-level horse for myself. The main purpose of the foal would be mid to low level eventing, but I would want something with nice enough movement for low-level dressage as well (a well-bred horse should be able to do that anyway for the most part IMO).
Currently looking at $3,000 ish (give or take, probably $5,000 max) for the stud fee if that’s what you’re asking. If you mean investment for care during and after the pregnancy, I’ve saved up enough for all the regular checkups, extra for emergencies, and of course, for the vet to be present during the foaling. I’ve also saved up enough for expenses after foaling and as the foal grows. I make enough to comfortably support two more horses (I am only looking to breed for one). She has been wonderful, and I think it would be a shame not to pass her genes on.
I have a good knowledge of conformation and studied it for many years. I was only emphasizing confirmation, as I’ve not looked into stallions in a long while, and am very out of date in that respect, though I’ve been looking at some of the old lines I used to love, and seeing who has their lines now, though unfortunately a lot of the stallions I liked were out of small private farms, and have crossed the rainbow bridge, and the farms aren’t putting the lines out for public use (though I’m sure I could find something similar or talk to some people I know and get someone to make an exception).
The reason I’m so blase about the breed and their functionality is because, once again, I’m going for low levels. Eventing, at one point, was the equine sport where you grabbed whatever horse you had in your back yard and went for it. You can still pretty much get away with this in beg. novice to novice. I would want to go a bit higher than that, but no higher than training or modified. Hell, I’ve seen everything from half lame half-blind ponies to 18hh Clydesdale’s go through beg. nov.
I have a couple of barns near me that specialize in breaking dressage and sport horses, and 2 trainers that I work with, not to mention other trainers from before my move I am still in contact with (around 7 I’m in contact with frequently). I am unaware of anyone using or thinking that it would be wise to use a child/teen as a primary trainer? I can see a teen as a primary rider, but a mentor???
I should also note, I used to work on a sport horse breeding farm (mostly morgan and tbs {though no morgan/TB crosses were made, thankfully}. I also started their young horses, and recently I started another for the first time in a while (Andalusian/Azteca for low-level dressage, I started him, then took him through to intro showing and 1st level schooling) and my current boy (he just retired due to an injury) I re-trained off the track.
I’ve gotten several local professional’s opinions (not to mention my dressage trainer, jumping trainer, farrier, and vet) and so far, they have all said she would make high-quality babies and would be a good broodmare, especially for more sport horses(I believe she has foaled once in the past {before I purchased her}, though it may have been twice, I’d have to check. She is getting older now though and my boy is retired, so I want to invest in my future riding career.
The reason I’m casting the net so wide is because I’m looking for quality overall, as in a good body, and a good mind, I would be planning to keep the foal not sell it (I know life happens, but…) I suppose I didn’t make this clear in my earlier post, but I am mainly looking at a Holsteiner or Trakehner stallion(still two very different breeds I know, but both would be more than capable for what I’m looking for). All other breeds were recommended by a friend who used to breed and train warmbloods, and I decided I wouldn’t be mad about any of those breeds, but something would have to really, REALLY stand out to me about them (over a Trakehner or Holsteiner). I am looking for a general sport-horse type, however, I am not looking for a 4*, Rolex horse.
Also, the color comment only came up because my mare is a palomino, and my trainers and I would love to have another, or something similar. If not? Alright, it wasn’t very important.
Keep in mind, while I do have all of this saved up and ready, this is just speculative at the moment, and I am not 100% that I am going to breed her, and if I do, it probably won’t be immediately.
I don’t even understand what your breeding goal would be after listing so many different qualities and breeds.
First, you need to evaluate your mare and reveal her breed and assess her conformation, movement, temperment, etc. Have someone knowledgeable help you if you cannot see what she needs to help where she might have a weakness. Decide what discipline and which registry and have your mare inspected. Get some help from the inspectors in choosing a stallion. You are much to general in what you want, you need to narrow it down. Get some help or post a conformation shot of her and a utube of her movement.
So OP is basically looking for a “boy horse” to breed to her “girl horse”…what a great idea…
Schools out forever.
Please don’t. Please find a nice prospect already made that makes your heart skip a beat.
Rarely does the chrome come out on a foal exactly where you want it to. No need to wait and then be disappointed.
Find the horse you want and enjoy it now. Please don’t breed your mare. No breeding plan makes a foal that becomes someone else’s problem.
If more people would take the time to figure out what they want then find it, instead of making marginal horses, everyone would win.
I’ll certainly come back here and link, if I see an ad for a 19 hand paint eventer.
OP, one of the reasons your post sounds so scattered to us is that an eventing horse is a very different animal than a dedicated dressage horse.
An eventing horse needs first of all to be a fast safe horse on the cross country. Dressage is part of the three phase but it’s at a lower level than pure dressage. For eventing you want a fast scopey horse with heart.
Here’s the thing. At the lower levels and indeed fairly far up the eventing food chain, people love the right OTTB. A nice built one with a brain that retired sound. He will eat up the jumps, have the speed and stamina , and have enough balance to get you through the dressage. And these horses are being literally given away by track trainers all the time. So if you want an eventing prospect get yourself a nice OTTB.
Obviously reschooling a green OTTB can be a bit hair raising :). But you are proposing breeding a foal so I assume you have the cash to spend on a professional trainer, the cash to support the foal for 4 years until you can ride, and a sticky seat and good hands to ride through baby antics. If any of these (time, money, intelligent adult support from a good trainer, skills and confidence) are in short supply then don’t raise a foal.
If you want to do straight dressage an Iberian horse is a nice choice. But they are not renowned jumpers and they don’t have the speed and stamina of a TB. Nothing does. I love Iberians but I would not choose one for an eventing prospect.
As far as sport type stock horse breeds, you would need to look at the individual. What counts as Hunter Under Saddle in AQHA is not functional for eventing or show jumping or dressage.
You’ve given us no information about the mare. What is she? What’s her pedigree? What is her show record? Where are her conformation pics?
And if this is the case, she could probably find just what she’s looking for on the bulletin board at the local feed store :rolleyes:
Count me in the camp of just buy what you’re looking for…
Can we at least try not to bash the poster?
There’s a difference between breeding for resale and breeding for yourself. I am considering breeding my paint mare. While I’m not picky on breed, I know I want a versatile, all around horse, with a strong jumping ability. I’ve been looking at mainly German Riding ponies, Connemaras, and Morgan stallions. I really liked some of the Welsh ponies I’ve looked at, but i don’t think they are the best match for my mare. I’ve looked at several lovely warmbloods, but i really don’t want something that big.
To the original poster:
You need to narrow that list of breeds down. I have a friend that loves Andalusians and Friesians. She thought my mare would cross very nicely with a Friesian. While I agree that would be a lovely cross, i don’t want a Friesian cross in Florida and I have not been thrilled with the Friesians I have ridden. Just not my favorite cup of tea… Nice horses, but not really what I want.
Andalusians tend to be bigger than what I want, and the stud fees are usually in the $2000 range.
Another friend suggested I cross her with a haflinger. A 3rd friend thought that was a horrible idea. While I like Haflingers, I just don’t think that will bring out the best in my mare.
If you are looking for color, check out Avalon equine, silverwood farms, and goldenedge sport horses.
You can have color and athletic ability. There’s no reason you can’t have both. What is your budget? Please post pictures or pedigree of your mare.
For my personal sanity I am choosing to believe this is a troll.
^ Take this post to heart. Without looking at the mare, it’s hard to know what would work well with her or even if she should be bred.
However, reading the OP, it is not hard to know that this person has no business attempting to breed a horse.
The thing is, most backyardigans that end up in the feed lot were all horses that somebody bred for themselves at one point. If you know what you’re doing, you’d know there’s way more really important factors to look for with breeding and color should fall to pretty much the last priority because it has no effect whatsoever on your horses health or ability (aside from being a grey w/ melanomas). So when somebody says “yea hi I really want a pretty horse that will look cute on my Instagram…” It’s just a dead obvious give away that you don’t have your priorities straight and have no business breeding.
The other problem with backyard breeding is that very often for one reason or another these horses don’t get properly broke and trained in a timely manner. Four years later after the excitement of the foal the owner has run out of time, money, focus or courage to undertake the training.
So not only do backyard foals often have odd breeding. Very often they fall through the cracks in training.
So then you don’t just have an unregistered draftaloosa pinto Lusitano cross, you suddenly have an unbroken 9 year old grade horse. I’ve seen this happen with small time wannabe breeders as well. It is amazing how fast time can get away from you.
Extra points if that’s sn unbroken grade horse stallion.
The average ammy is much better off buying an adult horse going w t c.
