Looking for advice from Northerners who have moved south

I dont remember saying the issue was confined to the south? You are arguing with the choir here.
I’m talking about towns, too. Population under 5 thousand. Cities are a whole different beast that come with issues no matter where it’s located, south or north. But most people don’t expect to see a town where there are so many retired doctors, business people, scientists, politicians, etc sitting next to a community that can’t get city water or trash pickup even though the trash truck drives right by their homes.

I’m sure there are places in the north with similar issues, but most horse people don’t come from those areas. We tend to be a suburban bunch. The lines between poverty and wealth are very much more noticeable in the south because the poverty isn’t ‘hidden’ like up north.

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I grew up on the Ohio River in Kentucky, timber rattlers and copperheads were abundant

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and deer flys

We used to say WI had three seasons: 9 months of winter; three months of poor sledding; and summer comes on the second Thursday in August!!! :slight_smile:

G.

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Ha! Pennsylvania has two- winter and road construction!

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I only skimmed through the answers, and there are some great ones! The thing I’ll add is the winter here in central NC is one long mud season. It’s not nearly as cold as NH was, which is generally great…but the ground doesn’t freeze solid and there’s no snow cover. Winter is our rainy season, so…mud. My farm has lovely paddocks with decent drainage, and they’re still a muddy mess right now. Up home, it would get muddy for a few weeks when the snow melted–it’s like that, only it lasts roughly late December-March. This year has been crazy wet, with something like 3 inches of rain here just this week. I still prefer it to NH winters by a mile, but if you have horses, prepare for some slogging.

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In Alabama some of the biggest roadblocks to better schools and other progress are the people who moved here for the lower taxes, and especially the property taxes. Many are retirees, and people about to retire, and many vote for their lower taxes, which means passing or extending a low cost tax proposal to help fund schools very rarely passes.

However, about 2 years ago, every county passes the $50 per household property tax, to fund the volunteer fire departments. Before that, each department had to send out letters for annual dues, and only about 10% of the homeowners paid it. I paid it, because it was the right thing to do, and also if you didn’t pay, and needed an ambulance, firetrucks, or other help, you were charged by the hour for each type of equipment, and if you didn’t pay they can put a lien on your property.

Many of the people where I live now, and where I used to live (on the Alabama side, near Fort Benning), are active duty, or retired military, and they manned the volunteer fire departments, backed up the local law enforcement when needed, and when there was a car or motorcycle accident, were doing first aid, and directing traffic until the police and other rescuers arrived.

When I lived here before, near Fort Rucker (where I worked), virtually every person I dealt with had a military background, or some connection to the military post. And most of the rude people I run into are from somewhere else, and only moved here for a limited time, or moved here only because it was cheaper, and have no intention of putting down roots, or becoming part of the community.

The only place I’ve lived where chiggers were a problem was Oklahoma, way out in the countryside. Never saw them here, or anywhere else I’ve lived. I think they’re mostly in the tall grass.

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Michigan is really pretty nice. We get the occasional hard winter, this winter has been normal. a little less snow in Dec And JAn than usual. Making up for it a bit now. But I adore spring summer and fall. I love the changing seasons.
I am not a fan of really hot weather, and I hate humidity.

In the staked plains, we have one season, windy.

It is windy and hot, or windy and cold.

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Here in the Boone, NC area, the old joke is the Floridian who asks, “Does it ever get warm here?”. A local says that it does, on July fourth. The Floridian then asks what everyone does then. The local replies, " We cut wood."

Absolutely no insult to Floridians intended. I spent several happy years of childhood in the Sunshine State, and I miss it heartily in January and February!

PROS:
Weather it was 70 today and will be very mild from here on out generally. Mother nature may sneak in one more cold snap

Flies down here are less of a problem than they were in MI because of the lack of rain I think.

No shoveling snow. When we get a bit of snow it usually only hangs around for a day or so

Vehicles seem to last longer due to the lack of salt and other chemicals used to melt all that snow and ice we don’t get. They do put a brine down but again it is only a couple time a year.

Again - weather - extends that riding time available without having to put up a enclosed arena.

Cost of living is much lower than it was in MI

CONS:
Affordable Hay in SC is coastal Bermuda or fescue ($5-8 a bale) if your looking for Timothy, Orchard or alfalfa you are going to pay well over $10 a square bale if you are lucky and stumble upon some (usually closer to $15-20 a bale). With coastal I always feed some alfalfa, usually soaked cubes.

Rain is generally not a problem except lack of it. When we get rain it is usually a fast moving storm that dumps a couple of inches and then there is no more for a month or so, drought is more of a problem.

For me, the worst thing aboout winter in Michigan is the unrelenting cloud cover. Days and days of never seeing the sun. But, there is no better place to be in the summer.

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Yeah you are right there. Sun is a rare commodity at times in Winter.

Somehow everyone in states that regularly get snow and ice manages to do it, so I’m pretty sure that isn’t true.

the one thing I have zero patience for is being unable to drive in any sort of weather. It’s not always 60 and sunny, that is one thing you’ll have to learn to cope with using some other method than outright panic and crashing into people.

Here they just close the interestate any more when we have the rare really bad iced over highways and overpasses.
The accidents and risk to those trying to get to them to attend to the injured is not worth it.

Some icy conditions are just impossible to drive in where there are not the right kind of all winter highway crews pouring anti-freezing producs in roads all day long all winter long.

In one riding center I was in where it snowed plenty, we were in charge of plowing the city streets with our horse and V plow after a snowfall, which we did and cars would travel on that fine, if they went slow and careful.
That was icey, but nothing compared with the ice storms we have in the US South.

When you have 1" of pure ice, there is no vehicle that can manage miles of that too well.
See the videos of those places with bumper cars in the ice sheets.

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I don’t mind at all if they close the interstates. What I’m discussing is when they don’t but everyone acts as if the apocalypse has occurred and crawls around at -2mph and then talks for weeks about how terrible and dangerous it was.

Up here in the North, if you don’t have the skills to cope, you just stay home. It seems in the south, despite the entire town shutting down for everything, it also seems in vogue to either a) drive anyway, usually with disastrous results or b) complain about it for WEEKS at a time. Just stay home and live your life. As I’m sure you don’t want to hear from us “the way we do things where I’m from” people who regularly survived blizzards and drive in 5" or more of snow, don’t want to hear about winter driving from people who think an half an inch of snow requires snow tires and emergency supplies.

It’s not always 60 and sunny, that is one thing you’ll have to learn to cope with using some other method than outright panic and crashing into people.

well that is why we have remote start to cool the car down in the summers… snow/ice that stuff melts in a day or so, normally those events are sponsored by Kroger/Whole Foods (which might not in the future since they are testing 2 hour home delivery here) …also the body shop chains encourage drivers to get out and about as normally by mid winter they have gotten caught up from the spring hailstorm damage

But usually the auto crash is the result of the dude who moved here from the great frozen north and that dude wants to show off their driving skills by going 75mph on snow that on a bed of ice

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No, the original statement is very true. I live in TN, and everything shuts down here as well. What people from Northern states do not realize is that there is not much equipment for snow removal or ice prevention in the South. People here know it is not worth killing yourself to get somewhere if there is snow or ice on the roads.

It is not unusual for schools to close here for weather events that would be a 2 hour delay up north. The first winter we were here, school was closed for two weeks due to about 2 inches of snow. We saw a plow once in the four winters we have been here.

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Having grown up in No. IL (and MI and WI) and now living East TN I say, “maybe so, and maybe not!” :wink:

If you have a ice event in the timber thin flatlands you really have a very different problem than the same in heavily wooded mountains. Or heavily wooded coastal zones. There is also a VAST difference in equipment available. My sister lives in a village in IL of 16,000. They have only slightly fewer snow/ice removal capable vehicles than Knoxville, TN with population of 186,000. Average snowfall in Knoxville is 6". Where my sister lives it’s 25". That should tell us a lot! :slight_smile:

I lived in Houston in the early '80s when we had a snow event (very rare for that place). I was attending a night class and it started to snow while class was in session. By the time we were out there was snow sticking to road surfaces. I found a car headed my way with MI plates. I just followed them!!! Of course Houston is flat (except for freeway entry and exit ramps). Where I live now getting home would be dicey even with 4WD.

We are celebrating this year the 25th anniversary of the Great Blizzard of '93 when 28" of snow fell. I had to go out and fortunately didn’t have to go far or up too many hills. Even in a 4WD Suburban it was pretty much “white knuckle” travel even on empty streets.

Geography plays a big role in all of this so smugness on either side of the question is questionable!!! :slight_smile:

G.

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What I observed while vacationing in North and South Carolina: people look you in the eye and say hello and how are you. And seem to mean it.

And there are chiggers in Ohio. Ask me how I know.

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“you’ll have to learn to cope with using some other method than outright panic and crashing into people.”

Well, I’m out.

(The above is how we drive every day, where I’m from in Massachusetts.)

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