Looking for this SoCal horse’s show name

My trainer just acquired a horse that we have some history of, but he didn’t show under his registered name, and she’d love to see what he’s been doing.

Gaijin FR is a 2009 17.2 Hannoverian gelding. He was imported in 2016 or 2017 and was previously a stallion. He’s definitely a jumper rather than hunter or eq horse, likely showed in 1.10 or 1.20 classes.

Some video from his days in Germany:

Supposedly, he was owned and shown by a junior who lived in the Los Angeles area.

Again, no intention of contacting any previous owners, just curious about his more recent past.


TIA

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Do the USEFsearch with his microchip number.

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She doesn’t have his papers.

Would either of these be his microchip number?

You need to scan him for it. Your vet can. To have shown at a rated show in this country he would have to have a microchip. I did a quick search with his pedigree info and didn’t get anything.

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Likewise I got nowhere inputting the life number (UELN) and the breed registry number (national-ID) in the space for breed registry number. Even tried the UELN in the chip space. His ClipMyHorse page (https://www.clipmyhorse.tv/en_AU/horse/6841f293-6f84-4311-829b-d10c81e0b5a3) shows results in Europe through June 2016. Assuming he left for the US not too long after, I think (*) that was before microchips were required by USEF.

(*) I got my horse in spring 2016. He was not yet chipped but had shown in USEF shows, including hunter breeding. I got him chipped not too long after I bought him, so maybe it was required starting in 2017.

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I also tried Horseshowtime with his registered name and came up with results from 2008-2009 which makes no sense based on his birthdate.

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That is curious. Could it be a different Gaijin? Since the microchip number on the horse in question is not available or doesn’t exist, I suppose there could be an entirely different horse named Gaijin (I believe it’s a Japanese word meaning “foreigner”).

So were horses imported before then grandfathered in?

I had been playing pet detective trying to find out more about him, and found the YouTube videos. The rider’s name rang a bell from back in ‘98 when I was given a tour of the Hannoverian state stud by the director, Herr Winter. Lo and behold it’s the same guy. So that horse has some deep training. I’m hoping to ride him soon.

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When the vet comes this week she’ll get him scanned.

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It was kind of the wild west. You could import a horse, say you lost the papers, forge it a new identity, and no one was the wiser. Horses were getting shown in age-restricted classes that were older than they were supposed to be, though I think that horses shown in those classes were among the first to have a chip requirement. Now it’s kind of a two-factor ID as you have to have the horse, the papers, and the chip with all of them matching for those classes.

It was also pretty routine to have horses get sold and the new owner would just get a new USEF ID instead of transferring the ownership, quite possibly changing the name in the process. It was cheaper and easier to get a new one. Also easier not to provide USEF with the registry or pedigree number, especially if you waited until the day of the show and had annoyed people in line behind you in the show office.

One story. Vet scanned a horse a friend was buying during the PPE. Turned out the horse was several years older than advertised. We were able to get a copy of the KWPN papers and his European show record from the nice people in Holland. But, once he stepped on US soil there was no record because the name was changed at least twice.

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We do know that the junior owned him up until she went to college and at that point he was given to the person my trainer bought him from. So there should only be one name he showed under.

Unless he stopped showing once the chip requirements were implemented or showed unrated, his chip would have been registered once the rules changed. And I can’t imagine someone would implant a new chip for that purpose.

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I was really hoping someone would recognize him. Of course he’s not the horse he was, but still stunning.

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And maybe you can contact the Hanoverian Verband and see if they can make a copy of his papers?

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That could be exciting. Like a revelation!

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Chip rule was implemented in Dec 2018 for horses to get points in HJEq and in Dec 2019 to show HJEq. So he could have started to show here before the rule. Or done LA county. Or IEL. Most (all?) vets scan for an existing chip before inserting one.

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If he was imported from EU, he has a microchip. That law went into effect over a decade ago. Edited to add: foals of 2009 and later had to be microchipped. How old is this horse?

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He’s a 2009 baby.

Good to know, as the vet is coming out for another horse and can scan him. Thank you.

This is a mystery, I want to hear what you find out!

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The post from @Peggy is the real information here. To show past Dec 2019, in H, J and HSEq, chip required, imported horse or not. If the horse did something else, like she indicates, then he may not have a USEF record. Nobody’s grandfathered for this purpose. What a stunning animal! Best wishes finding out his history.

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