Los Angeles Equestrian Center

[kenyarider]

You normally have to be convicted first. I think the presumption of innocence is still applicable in the this country. So anyone who is accused of being here without papers and pre-trial is still not a criminal nor a misdemeanant.

[ParadoxFarm]

Yes, people DO come into the US legally, but sometimes overstay a visa, for instance. They are not criminals.

(Sorry, didn’t see TarheelJD’s post…so, what she said! )

[kenyarider]

Absolutely.

[cristalle]

@greysfordays

It would be AWESOME if we could have visas that make it easier for us to legally get the labor to do the jobs that many US born citizens will not do. But candidly, illegal immigration is the backbone of a lot of profitability in the hospitality, agriculture and equine industries. It’s going to be really hard to unwind that.

Not to mention, the moves by this administration will cost us so much economic prosperity…undocumented immigrants bring us tax revenue, they add to consumer spending, and they use fewer government resources than the average citizen . They are also less likely to commit crimes . The whole country owes a great debt to our immigrants both documented and undocumented. But that is particularly true for equestrians.

Thank you, @greysfordays.

[Tini_Sea_Soldier1]

100% bc during Covid, there was a 6-9 month backlog and a lot of people lost their status and were unable to get appointments or even have their applications reviewed. With everything that’s happened with DOGE, I’d be we’re right back there with a backlog and inability to process the applications and appointments of the people trying to do the right thing and follow the rules. In this day and age, more of the good guys lose than win. It’s a money game and if you can’t buy your way out, you’re screwed. Sad but true.

[Tini_Sea_Soldier1]

Probably the Seven (7) foal that Katie Van Slyke just lost. It’s been viral for the last day or so online.

[hillary_again]

Wow, 1.2k comments and counting. I’m sad that so many people don’t know anything about the immigration dilemma, and think that they do. I work in higher ed and deal with the immigration process a lot for my job. I’m grateful for the training that I have had on this topic.

I’m still quite confused on the current situation. I understand ~12 employees were dismissed bc they could not provide documentation of their work status. Then the others quit? Or did a work stoppage? And are they back to work now?

I board at a big general boarding facility with >120 horses. I don’t know what we would do if we lost our workforce in one fell swoop. We are part of an on-site recovery program and have ~50 men in the program at any time. I’m very grateful for this organization. Every other boarding situation that I know of is constantly seeking help.

[SBrentnall]

@hey101

I mentioned on that other thread that people have been used to paying low boarding fees for years and years, but providers can no longer swallow that loss.

Low board? LAEC is approx $900 and boarders pay for training and hay on top (LAEC only provides cubes).

[Annie10]

@TarheelJD

@Annie10

Actually speeding and running stop signs are civil violations. Try again. But yes if they are here illegally I’m fine with deporting them.
A misdemeanor is a crime.

So, if a person from another country overstays their validly issued visa, which is a civil violation, you are cool with letting them stay in the US while their civil proceedings are being conducted?

If they overstay it? No. They knew the parameters of it when they got it.

[kenyarider]

You forget that going through the proceeding may result in their status being resolved in their favor. Leaving means they lose everything. Deporting without due process results in very unfair outcomes, but I guess you could care less about due process or fairness. For you, they are guilty until proven innocent except you don’t even let them have the chance to prove that.

[dags]

Don’t take the bait folks. I’d like to keep this thread open for updates on LAEC.

[hey101]

Well, I was speaking more generally across the country but honestly, I’m surprised it’s that cheap at LAEC within shouting distance of DTLA. Land is not exactly easily available in that metropolitan area. LA Traffic is pretty damn horrible so if a horse owner doesn’t want to spend an hour and a half on the road each way they’re paying for convenience.

Location, location, location as they say in real estate.

[wanderlust]

Shockingly, you are wrong. It depends entirely where you live and how fast you are going, as those laws are written and enforced at the state level. In Virginia, for example, 20 mph over is “reckless driving” which is a misdemeanor.

[Annie10]

Reckless is a misdemeanor here too but there’s no set speed. It’s up to the officer. Fast isn’t always necessarily reckless…
In any event it’s really not relevant to the discussion what traffic offense is what in what state. I answered the question the first person who mentioned it posed.

[Annie10]

If there’s a date they’re supposed to be gone or their visa expires etc the fact that they are here is IMHO prima facia evidence of guilt. Really not much to quibble about.

[wanderlust]

Gosh. Bless your heart.

[Amberley]

It’s $875 just for stall cleaning, auto water and the same cubes everyone gets fed twice a day. Hay, grain, supplements, turnout, blanketing or fly gear, meds or anyone to look at touch your horse in any way are all extra.

[skydy]

I’ve noticed that people who have such palpable hostility towards hard working immigrants in the horse community, whose life circumstances they do not know, as well as hostility toward other immigrant workers, documented or undocumented in other industries, are:

1. Woefully ignorant of the disaster that is our immigration policy, and how attempting to remedy decades of inaction by our legislators in one fell swoop, is not the answer and is not good for anyone.

2. Seem emboldened by the anonymity of the internet to be incredibly judgemental of people about whose lives they know nothing, and apparently care nothing about.

It’s heartbreaking to see this hateful attitude.

[quarab]

@Horsegirl_s_Mom

Not many “regular” people will have the skills and confidence to lead a fractious horse to turn-out, blanket horses, put on leg wraps, etc. We want people here who have skills and affinity for horses–not just anyone looking for a buck.

I think some horse people forget how intimidating it is for non horse people. I’ve had full grown adults who want to come see and pet a horsey have an actual crying meltdown because my tiny pony mare doesn’t stand particularly well and will lift her back leg up if you get a good itch like a dog. They stand about 50 ft away if I’m getting on her because she jigs to the arena when she’s in jumper tack. For a horse that is naughty at dinner time? Going in a stall with a horse to muck or moving them out to turn out? Doing blankets? Forget it.

[Horsegirl_s_Mom]

@quarab

For a horse that is naughty at dinner time? Going in a stall with a horse to muck or moving them out to turn out? Doing blankets? Forget it.

Yep. As an (admittedly protective) Mom with a horsey daughter, we discussed certain horses she was not allowed to blanket. Most horses at her lesson barn were fine but a few would get very territorial about their stalls (especially if they had their evening feed in there) and they could be scary. I’m embarrassed to admit one I feared was a 12.2 hand pony–cute as can be, but boy, he had a nasty set of teeth on him when he was annoyed and he gave at least one kid a bad bite.