Well. yes. I guess everything else would be legal in the hypothetical above. Introducing things that could be additional tickets would be those ‘or are there other circumstances’ part in my opinion.
If the person with the visa has only missed the renewal date and everything else is legal, is that the same as someone getting a parking ticket - supposing everything else is also legal.
I personally had my green card expire for over a year, solely because USCIS’ processing times are so long. If I left the country, all my fees, work, “paperwork” would have been for nothing.
I came in on a visa, applied for my first green card immediately which I believe only lasts 2 years. I applied for my 10 year visa (which, btw, you have to get even if you plan on applying for naturalization, because the initial green card expires 1 year before you’re allowed to apply for naturalization at 3 years - and yep, that’s double the fees - $2k+!) exactly ON THE DAY I was eligible to, which is 90 days before it expires.
I never received that 10 year green card. My initial one expired and I just got a piece of paper saying that it was “extended”, but no actual card or anything. A year later I applied for naturalization and I did my 10 year green card interview AND my naturalization interview in the same interview.
People like me are getting deported. I’m now a citizen, so I obviously did everything I was supposed to. I was “getting my paperwork in order”; people are being detained at meetings that they are required to go to to “get their paperwork in order”. Do you really think that’s fair?
Of course it’s not fair; it’s performative cruelty.
People who dehumanize others will never see (or admit) this - it would require empathy and decency.
I’ve found the problem with most people spouting “CoMe HeRe ThE rIgHt WaY” don’t… Think, that is 
there’s no other excuse at this point honestly. You’d have to live in a cave to realize this administration doesn’t care if you’re trying to do it the legal way, they’re still going to toss the case and deport folks. The cruelty is the point. It always has been for this type of person.
And the presidential candidate who told them to do just that.
I know, and I don’t even know why I bothered with that second post… It wasn’t lost on me that I never got a response to my question of “wouldn’t you do the same?”. Tbh, it was telling that there was a hand waving with “oh, I’ve never heard that people who are trying to attend their immigration hearings are being rounded up” (paraphrased), then back to the same ol’ rhetoric. I won’t get an answer, or I’ll get a “yeah you must have done something wrong then”…
I don’t mean to get off topic from these workers but I just can’t get over bootlicking any government when I feel like we must all know damn well that most politician, no matter the party, would throw you under a bus if it made them look good or helped their investment portfolio. Why look at these people working at LAEC doing good work and helping people and say “yeah, that’s what you deserve!”, plus feel so strongly you come on here to try to indoctrinate and/or oppress an audience obviously and overwhelmingly in disagreement?
I never considered myself an “illegal” (
) during the time my GC was expired. I still continued to work in a much less useful and impactful job than those working at LAEC. But would I be today? Do people like Annie believe I should’ve been deported? Or nah, because despite being brown, I’m thankfully from Canada (aka I’m “one of the good ones”)? Wherein lies the main issue that really sickens me.
Lest we forget; cruelty is the point 
That’s a bit of an exaggeration. At this moment, it’s 23 minutes from City Hall, in normal traffic, i.e. some slowing on the 5.
I think you are underestimating how hard it to “get papers”. It is one of the reason why the business who rely on “illegal labor “ are in a bind right now. It also why the federal government is stepping back from raids at hotels , farms and construction sites, all businesses that rely on immigrant labor.
I live outside of a university town…the town as one might expect is very diverse, reflecting the diversity of cultures attending the university. There are refugee communities from Nepal, Tibet, South America, China, Vietnam, Ukraine, and Afghanistan. I helped sponsor one of the Afghan families (husband, wife, two sons) who helped the US military in Afghanistan.
Now the Temporary Protected Status has been revoked for Afghanistan, and many other countries including Nepal.
The Afghan family I helped sponsor is freaked. Sayed, the husband, has an EAD (employment authorization document) and works in administration for the university. He also happens to have a PhD. His wife, Hamida, does volunteer work at one of the food banks. Their sons are in school. If they are sent back to Afghanistan, do you think the Taliban will welcome them with open arms?..Saheed believes he will be arrested and ultimately imprisoned for the rest of his life or executed…because he helped the Americans in the war.
The impact on the horse industry of these mass deportations is just the tip of the iceberg…
Every barn where I have boarded for the last 25 years employed a barn worker/manager from Mexico. All of them had considerable horse experience. Barn owners sought them out because they knew they would get reliable help. One of the workers had lost his job at a luxury RV factory, so the barn work kept his family afloat. He was a genius with horses. Another was an expert groom as well.
That expertise is hard to find. Lately, some local barns have hired young women to fill those roles. They never last. The work is too hard, or it interferes with their personal lives. It’s a revolving door and incredibly frustrating for barn owners.
“Lately, some local barns have hired young women to fill those roles.”
Yes to this. I no longer own but regularly ride an older unused schoolie. Fairly high end barn.
Three boarders and I have formed an unofficial cooperative to check on the horses, since we all ride later in the day and at least one of us is there every day. Two weeks ago the horses were not watered in the afternoon and were all very low on water (temps in the 90’s). Yesterday a few had not received their afternoon hay. We take care of these gaps ourselves, and quietly speak to the workers in non-threatening ways. We don’t tell the BO, as she will go ballistic, fire them, and then where will we be?
If everything else is legal then no a parking ticket isn’t big deal.
If they aren’t legal then the car should not have been on the road to be parked there getting a ticket in the first place…
Kind of like (whatever term you prefer) immigrants who don’t have their visas or have expired visas.
You have described exactly what I have experienced lately. I only board occasionally. There have been instances of inexperienced barn help overlooking very important tasks. It’s frustrating for boarders and BOs alike.
Perhaps what you may be missing Annie is that in many other countries, particularly Mexico, there is actually a pathway to renew your visa if you have overstayed for whatever reason, including administrative delays.
We don’t have that here. We are deporting people whose reason for overstay is our own inability to get them processed in time.
In most other countries, including ours, it is a CIVIL not criminal offense. There are differing penalties for both, and in most cases, including immigration cases, across the world, civil offenses are met with a fee or fine, as opposed to being shackled and taken to a detention camp to be imprisoned indefinitely and/or shipped to a totally different country than your original location.
Does…that make the problem any clearer?
No one - literally no one - is saying “no country has a problem with immigration” or “no other countries have laws around immigration” nor even that people who are actually problematic shouldn’t be deported.
But the treatment of individuals who have committed a crime similar to speeding in severity, probably shouldn’t be being placed in a camp “hilariously” called alligator Alcatraz.
To wit, it’s American propaganda that brings folks here. I mean you can’t well go around calling other countries “sh*hole countries” and calling ours “the best country in the whole wide world” and not expect people to want a piece of that.
Returning to the subject at hand, it is not surprising at all that this is going to have a huge impact on the horse industry and will likely take what was already under significant pressure and kill it almost completely. I do not anticipate that horses will be a viable option for anyone but the uber-wealthy (or the extremely rural) in 5-10 years.
Or the pay isn’t enough, with no health insurance or other benefits. They get injured and have to pay out of pocket for doctors (and hearing BS like the wealthy owner of the horse who kicked BM says “he must have sensed your body was unaligned.”) And/or they get treated poorly/looked down upon by other staff, boarders, and bosses because they are young women.
At least these were some of the reasons why I no longer manage barns.
All true as well. The pool of people willing and able to do the work is shrinking.
You’ve always renewed your car insurance on time, but there’s a delay in the paperwork due to your insurance company being short staffed and your insurance lapses despite your best efforts and submitting all your paperwork on time. You’re told it’s not a big deal because you have always had your insurance up to date and have no record of non payment or accidents, it’s just a paperwork issue and you still have insurance, and that you need to make an appointment to get it all fixed but since there’s a backlog there’s a long wait. You finally get your appointment to get it all sorted out but the car dealership knows about this backlog so shows up at the insurance office and asks for the appointment to be cancelled. Then they repo your car due to lack of insurance to meet a quota.
Repo your car, throw you in jail with your children or take you away from your family, and send you to another country you’ve never been to while people cheer.
Yes, this type of thing happened to a New Zealand woman who worked in Washington state. One glitch in her paperwork resulted in her and her son being nabbed and sent to a detention center in Texas.
ICE took her phone and told her nothing. They were released after more than three weeks. She was a working professional, not a criminal.
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