lost faith in easyboots

[pandorasboxx]

I like the Epics and have used them on short rides with some success but generally go to shoes and pads for the majority of my riding. My bad back precludes too much bending over and tweaking etc. One resource that the OP may want to look at is the barefoot endurance group on yahoo. LOTS of booting information and experimentation.

Regarding the unpleasant posting:

I have yet to see anyone shoving treeless or barefoot down anyone’s throat here. What I do see is fanatics chiming in to say why their way is the ONLY way and that everyone else is crazee and deeeluded.

I ride treeless because it works for me and my horse. I’m happy to give my opinion, and do so without bashing treed saddles. I like treed saddles and have owned many of them. As a matter of fact, I haven’t seen anyone bash treed saddles but plenty of people bashing treeless especially those who don’t any or much personal experience with them. :lol:

Boots work for many, many people. For me, they were a pain that I didn’t feel like tweaking. BUT, I plan to explore it again in the near future. I hate being at the mercy of a thrown or loose shoe to stop my limited ride time. My farrier, great guy that he is, cannot drop everything and get out fast enough to accommodate my ride for that day. I UNDERSTAND why folks would rather have booting at their disposal.

It appears that certain posters enjoy engaging in endless fighting, bashing etc. as if beating the forum over the head ad nauseum will bring everyone to their “correct” way of thinking. I’d suggest we exercise our ignore buttons and maybe they will slink away.

[sublimequine]

pandoras; I used to be the same way about the boots. I actually worked with the original Old Macs for awhile on the old guy I care for, who was abscessing and needed additional support and something to help keep the hoof clean and medicated. I’m glad for the boots, but I HATE the original Old Mac design! It’s big and clunky, doesn’t wanna stay on, and is really just ugly. :lol:

I’m only now getting into boots because I think they’re finally getting to be tolerable quality for my personal tastes. But there’s STILL a lot of bugs to be worked out, as the OP has expressed. I for one think these Renegades are the next step in the evolution of hoof boots. Only time will tell, though!

[sublimequine]

:hits the report button a few more times: Folks just don’t know when to quit, do they?:rolleyes:

OP; also you might want to look at Old Macs or Cavallos if you’re still interested in boots, but might not want to stick with the Easycare line (which is understandable). :yes:

[Moderator_1]

We moved the recent general boot, etc. debate questions to this thread, where you are welcome to continue that discussion:

http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=3219528#post3219528

Please keep the post on this thread more closely related to the original post and the OP’s situation.

Thanks,
Mod 1

[matryoshka]

Sorry to have created more work for the mods! There was some information in my posts directed to the OP, but I can understand that she may well have given up on this thread and not have wanted to wade through the long posts.

[winona]

i am back!!! i felt out of it for several days and didn’t go near the computer. wow! i generated 4 pages of discussion?

my face, which was left in the road is healing nicely except a nice shade of purple under the eye. left arm broke but luckily i won’t need surgery which was a strong possibility. luckily i am right handed.

i’m convinced she pulled off the boots with her other feet because she was dancing and her bootprints didn’t seem deep enough to yank 2 off…maybe one. i now am going to be a proponent of desensitizing horses to a boot dangling off their leg, this horse has been hobbled, tied, ropes swung to be desensitized and is usually very good, but not this time

definately will need to shoe for awhile, but i liked the way her feet looked with boots. when i bought her she was in shoes and pads, flare, whiteline disease and miserable w/ the shoes off (like when pulled for the winter). but… i do have a great farrier who will shoe or natural trim…whatever. i am lucky as long as he sticks around.

i may try a different type of boot down the road, esp. for the off season. however, not sure i’ll trust anything that wraps around like the gaiter :no:
thanks for the good wishes and info.

[saratoga]

I had a Renegade boot come off the hoof this weekend when I was galloping in sand but the top strap stayed on so it was hanging on my horse’s leg. He got a little upset but nothing too major- I figured out pretty quick what happened and was able to stop him without too much drama.
I’ve never purposely desensitized a horse to that, but it would definitely be a good idea before wearing boots! Unfortunately, I think any boot is bound to come off at some time, hopefully just not too often.

[katarine]

I was disappointed in the performance of the original OMs. My crooked legged QH needed less traction than they provided. His foot hits, then twists slightly midway through the weight bearing phase. Not good when the boot doesn’t want to let him twist— I guess his foot would get warmed to the inside of the boot, and couldn’t twist. All that torque went up his legs. Barefoot, or shod on plain flat shoes…it can twist. Word of caution for anyone keen to try boots on a horse like that.

I don’t care for the Cavallos. Cheaply made and a PITA to keep putting back on…horse has nice round, good feet- boots wouldn’t stay on.

For my life and my horses shoes are what works for us. I rode with some BF horses, and they do great it seems…but there’s no One Single Solution that will satisfy every horse. Can’t we just let it lie and not bother multi quoting anyone that doesn’t agree? Just let it go!

[Kyzteke]

[QUOTE=Shadow14;3209492]
How is wondering how muck sucks a shoe off getting personal?? Do you own the muck that is causing the problem???[/QUOTE]

I think we need to begin with a reading lesson.

Generally when a writer starts a new paragraph, it means a new subject, or at least a new angle on the subject being discussed.

The first part of my post (read slowly), has to do with the actual dynamics of the metal horseshoe being sucked off it the muck – how it happens, what the results can be, etc.

The NEXT paragraph (note how I’m doing this now), pertains to ANOTHER aspect of this discussion – the rather personal tone the “shoe vs boot” component this thread is exploring.

Writing (and reading) per the basic rules of grammar helps on a BB, since we can’t hear each other. It’s an English composition kind of thing that helps in communication – rather 9th grade, but one of those skills that can come in handy even in our adult years.

Got ya back on track now, Shadow?

[Shadow14]

[QUOTE=Kyzteke;3227664]

Got ya back on track now, Shadow?[/QUOTE]

Not at all. I think you are just looking for arguements. The subject was dropped one week ago and you have to renew it.
Why???
As for the muck I have been shoing for 22 years, fully guarantee against lost shoes and very seldom have to make good.

Again why are you trying to argue something from a week ago.???

[Kyzteke]

[QUOTE=Shadow14;3228095]
Not at all. I think you are just looking for arguements. The subject was dropped one week ago and you have to renew it.
Why???
As for the muck I have been shoing for 22 years, fully guarantee against lost shoes and very seldom have to make good.

Again why are you trying to argue something from a week ago.???[/QUOTE]

Well, not all of us have endless hours to spend in front of the computer. Hard as it might be to understand, this thread is not the focalpoint of my life…not even in the Top 10. This is when I got back to the computer. Pretty simple.

Also, if you will read my FIRST comment on this thread I said that I looking at boots, and currently using shoes. In fact, several threads have me making comments that question the efficency of boots. So I don’t really have a dog in this fight.

Someone just commented that they never heard of shoes being pulled off and I commented that, in my experience, shoes DO pulled off. Why do you think they invented Easy Boots in the first place?

There isn’t any guy on the grassy knoll here.

[matryoshka]

Kyzteke,

There are a number of boot threads in the endurance forum where the highs and lows of each type are discussed. I don’t know if you’ve seen them or searched for them. Most of us who use boots are willing to discuss the problems we’ve had with each type and are open and honest about our experiences. There is no fight on these threads. I didn’t even realize there was much of an argument on this one until people pressed the alert button. I thought it was a discussion.

When you’ve narrowed your selection, you could ask about that specific product and get feedback. New feedback never hurts, since more people are joining COTH every day. I haven’t tried the Renegades yet and am not sure I’ll need to. I’ve decided that my OTTB is not suited to the sport, and the little Arab mare may not need boots at all. It’s too early to tell yet since her feet are still reshaping after having seriously long toes that affected her hoof capsule.

Mud is simply an issue for horses–there is always the possibility of injury, IMO, whether barefoot, shod, or booted. The only time I’ve had a boot “sucked” off in mud (where it was stuck in there and I had to search for it) was when the boot was too large. I’ve had the Easyboots without gaiters fly off plenty of times–again, the boot was either too large or got yanked off with a hind foot. But that’s another story…