If you’re a warm, sincere person, that is going to show, don’t you think?
–I’m often surprised at how very wrong that is. It isn’t true on the bb’s. The internet bb’s are places where when the rubber hits the road, the people who are ‘right’ and ‘good’ are the people who reinforce whatever beliefs are popular on that bb. They are about agreeing with the beliefs on that bb, bottom line, and about finding out who to side with. What is believed is accepted unquestioningly, without references or facts.
–Bulletin boards are chiefly about interpersonal dynamics (group dynamics) and ‘highly valued beliefs’, not facts.
Maybe that’s the issue, trying to nitpick words when really people are reacting to insincerity and snobbishness.
–I think much of ‘reacting to insincerity and snobbishness’ is jealousy, to ‘react to insincerity and snobbishness’, you assume insincerity and snobbishness are responsible for what the person says. If the person farts in their sleep, it’s because they are ‘insincere and snobbish’. You see it that way because you WANT to see it that way.
–People see horse X getting higher scores and it ticks them off. I think it’s very, very simple. They can’t figure out why, so they pick on the horse and rider - AND the judges, organizations etc. Quite a lot of resentment of organizations is tied to age - baby boomers and slightly post baby boomers just do that, often irrationally, blindly, unthinkingly.
– Years ago, people said the same things when Thoroughbreds were the ones winning in American dressage. The comments were either very sweet and politically correct, ‘Well I love my Sparky and I don’t care if we EVER win or make it big’ (LOL…nothing could have been further from the truth),
– or some flavor (intellectual or gut) 'So what, most of those horses suck and the judges wouldn’t know good dressage if it smacked ‘em on the face’.
–those could be EXTREMELY intellectual sounding, but were what boils down to, ‘it says in a book classical dressage should be perfect and those riders ain’t perfect’.
–It’s all the same stuff over and over, just substitute different breed names. Happens in every riding division, in fact.
–Most horse owners, especially in dressage where so many people work basically in isolation, have some degree of ‘stable blindness’, where they don’t have, and often don’t want to have, a realistic evaluation of their horse and riding.
– Few people can say and really mean and feel it, ‘My horse is really nice and I love him, I can see that he has shortcomings, such as his heavy shoulders, but I feel he’s good enough for me and I can learn a great deal from him - it’s a long road, and I’ll get as far as I’ll get’ — if they DO say that from time to time, it doesn’t always carry over reliably to how they view other horses and riders, and show results!
Identical phrases can take on two entirely different meanings when the context and manner changes.
–Not really.
–Identical phrases take on different meanings when people decide they can read the person’s mind and know what they are thinking and what motivates them - often based on the internet, on how they interpret words the person wrote - and the majority of the time, these are again ‘beliefs’ rather than anything to do with how the person really thinks or is motivated.
– Assuming one knows an observed person’s motivation and thoughts REQUIRES a preconceived notion and assumptions, in fact, it requires them to such a depth and pervasiveness that is incredible.
Someone needs to come up with a snobbishness algorithm- that way people can run their posts through and make sure they won’t give people the wrong idea
–Not really. People need to discard their preconceptions and just look and listen and think.
I really dispair of any “meeting in the middle” though between the WB and offbreed riders. So many off-breed riders have been driven away from this board by the negative comments. Oh, that’s not bashing though, that’s just “a dose of reality.”
–Not really. You just want to convince yourself of that because you want to discard and discount even the slightest comment you conceive as a ‘criticism’ or critique of your horse’s breed and type, ie, comments which came up while you were insisting draft horses make such great dressage horses, and this is a way to rag on anyone who didn’t fall all over you and kiss your feet.
– In fact, ‘offbreed riders’ congregate here and on other dressage internet bb’s. Most people here, if I recall the price polls, paid between two and eight thousand dollars for their horses and did not own warmbloods, and the person here who owns the expensive warmblood is in the minority here. Why else would you imagine so much criticism and complaining about them would be ‘ok’ here and anyone who says ANYTHING in the least big negative about any OTHER breed of horse gets piled on and criticized so?
If you wouldn’t rain on someone else’s parade, you’re just not part of the problem, whether or not you refer to any of your horses as large or warmblood. The constant need by others to rain on parades is the issue.
– To you, it’s ‘raining on your parade’. To the other person, they are just reminding you of reality, and you don’t want to hear it. There is actually something to be learned from trying to understand ‘reality’ side of it.
who is much greener, is here: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/eD70qOzVXHg4ao7Tqj5HtQ I’ve owned her since she was weaned, and done all her training since she was two days old. (The pic is her second dressage test ever (in competition, that is).)
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