Low NSC grass for PNW? Or, avoiding founder...

For people on the wet (West) side of the PNW, what grass have you had luck with that is fairly low in NSCs? The more I read about NSCs in grass, the more I realize that it’s not just the type of grass, but it also depends on time of day, time of year, micro climate, drought, stress, etc. Worse, it seems that grasses that are considered high-sugar in one locale can be low-sugar in another. Most of these are variables that I can’t control (besides time of day if I’m willing to limit turnout), so I have to go with what I CAN control, namely grass varieties.

Or, in general, for anyone in the area who has fat horses and lush pastures, how have you kept your horses from foundering?

You limit the time your fat horses spend on the lush pasture.

That said, I don’t see a lot of horses get laminitis and founder on our PNW pasture. I do see spectacularly high NSC counts in local grass hay (25%) and I have seen horses (well, a pony) get laminitis and founder when fed this free choice. But the pony was obese for years.

I am distinguishing between laminitis, the acute hot inflammation, and founder, the long term chronic changes to the horse’s hooves that can result from laminitis. Both cause hoof pain, but of different sorts. You can have one without the other. If the horse has a well balanced hoof and you catch the onset early enough, you can halt the laminitis attack and it doesn’t proceed to founder.

I think that free choice hay is a bigger risk than pasture, and I think the real risk (if the horse isn’t already metabolically compromised) is obesity first, then laminitis/ founder. Control the obesity and the risk of founder drops.

We’ve had two horses at my (self board) barn get laminitis this year. Both owners had bought into the idea of 24/7 free choice hay, both horses are smaller QH mares, both horses have been obese for years and footsore for a long time, so this was not exactly sudden for observers anyhow. One was on a “tested low sugar organic” alfalfa/grass mix, and not sure what the other was on, either grass or timothy.

My impression is that all the grasses that grow in the PNW climate can be high sugar. The high NSC “local” hay I had tested was a Timothy or Timothy mix. Commercially grown Timothy from the interior dry belt tends to be consdierably lower in NSC. I also had tested a load of what we call “red top” out here, a nice local hay, and it was 19% NSC.

Grass is lower NSC I believe if it is actively growing and using up the sugars that way, so if your pasture is kept lower by the horses grazing then I would think the NSC would drop. And if the pasture is a bit chewed down, there is less to eat as well. I would try to keep the fat horses on scruffier pasture!

But really its’ about controlling obesity. As with humans and house pets, I think obesity is now the #1 health risk for most well-loved pet horses. Obesity is your early warning signal that things are going wrong with your horse management. You can make a horse obese with low NSC hay if you feed enough of it, and that will start to mess with their insulin metabolism and they will be prone to develop laminitis.

A true pasture horse year round goes through lean times in the winter when they lose weight, and that is the mechanism that keeps feral horses healthier. But no one these days wants to see a pet horse lose any weight in the winter.

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I have a fatty and he has had some very minor warm/ouchy feet periods when I was boarding. Now that I control his turnout, he is in from about Oct/Nov thru April/May, then starts going out for a couple hours in the morning only. I keep the paddocks mowed. As the grass starts to dry and go dormant, the horses stay out longer and longer, and right now are out all day.

Now they are home and my Dad and I work out a schedule to do this, it is probably not possible for boarded horses. Too much to ask a barn to put out at 8 or 9 and bring in at 11, then next month 1pm, etc etc.

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Grazing muzzles?

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Yeah… I will do that if I have to. I’m just afraid Pony will get his off. He’s tricky like that. Not to mention I feel sorry for them muzzled like that. Maybe I could have them on grass full time but just muzzle part time.

Lots of ppl on here love the greenguard ones, I cant spend that money right now, but i have a couple tough one easy breathers that work great, google them the nose holes are very large and you can attach a halter to it if u wanted to.

My ponies live in a dry lot with hay available 24/7. Very easy way to manage them without hassles or worries about losing muzzles, how many hours can they tolerate of grass, etc, etc…

Yeah… I know that’s an option. It’s just that I just bought this place, and it has such gorgeous lush pastures. I hate to think of them spending their lives in a dry lot when they have those pastures where they could be out running around. For sure I’ll keep them on a dry lot part of the time, probably all winter and then part days in early spring. But I feel like a dry lot is just a bigger and better version of a stall. Not a great life for a horse. We’ll see. Maybe I’ll change my mind once we get out there, if they start looking cresty or ouchy.

Put muzzles on them so you don’t have to apologize to them for allow them to founder. Get the green guard ones, they are more comfortable and don’t rub.

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You can make a dry lot however big you want it to be, Mine conveniently is at the top of a hill, wooded. So nothing grows in there and it dries out very quickly. I wish all the time I had another just like it for the winter for the big horses. Its a big space, at least a half acre, they spend most of their time in the shed at the haynet anyway.

Once your horses start to look cresty or ouchy, you have already messed up their metabolisms and if they are ouchy they are having an active laminitis episode and it is Vet Emergency Time, and the onset of a lifelong, and indeed lifethreatening, condition. Horses die because they get laminitis, they founder the coffin bone penetrates the sole, and they are euthanized. If they develop metabolic problems, then they are prone to this for life.

That said, your horses might be fine on pasture. What you need to monitor is whether they are starting to get obese. Pull them off the grass before you give them pre-diabetic syndrome.

I get wanting to see your horse in lush pasture, but they way you have phrased it is like saying you wish your kid could run around in a candy store until they weigh 200 lbs and develop Type 2 diabetes. We tend to equate food with love these days for our pets, which is why obesity and the resultant conditions are the biggest health threats for horses, and dogs.

Anyhow, there is lots of information out there on pasture management. One directive is to mow the grass to about 6 inches I think? So that it continues to be actively growing and using up its sugar. You might want to look into getting a cutting of hay off your fields in early summer then letting the horses out into the short regrowing fields.

Also if you keep the horses on a particular pasture they will end up quickly eating it down, and you will have a not-lush pasture. Even in the damp PNW, pasture resilience can vary alot between different farms in the same area, depending on drainage and soil. I know hilly farms that have sandy soil, where the grass is eaten up by July, and riverbottom farms that have a high water table that produce all year round, and then other pastures that are overgrazed and turned into giant dry lots. You will need to go a year with your farm to know how your grass really behaves. If the farm has been vacant or just used for haying, you won’t really know how it responds to grazing, when it dries up enough in the spring to let horses out, when the grass stops growing in the summer or fall, until you have lived with it a year.