Lunge Cavessons: Which would you buy?

I have not found any in the US but these keep popping up and have good reviews. I need one under $200 that is kind to the horse and stable for serious work. Here are the ones that have interested me so far:

http://qcvsaddlery.com/en/cavessons/21-lunging-cavesson-with-leather-nosepiece-111.html
I don’t know if the all leather nosepiece would make it less stable.

http://qcvsaddlery.com/en/cavessons/22-portuguese-cavesson-alta-escola-cortezia-brass-111.html
Not sure if the fact that the noseband is attached by rings would be good or bad.

http://qcvsaddlery.com/en/cavessons/10-portuguese-cavesson-sintra-111.html
This is the most “traditional” I suppose. I’m just not sure if either of the others would be better.

Anyone more experienced with purchasing lunge cavessons, I’d appreciate your input.

I think there are good and bad things about all three options.

The all leather one is interesting as it has the option of adding bit hangers to it (whether you buy theirs or pick some up from a place selling parts for a halter/bridle combo, either way). I could see the center ring getting “stuck” on occasion as you change directions. Not a deal if you make the habit of manually changing directions (walking up and leading the horse to the new direction), but if you have a less obedient horse who swaps on you or you want to change directions on the move I can see it not swiveling as readily into the new direction. There may be some slippage, but the jaw strap is the stabilizer and should keep it from getting too kattiwampus on the horse’s face. The leather nose is definitely less harsh and will fit a wide variety of face shapes.

The second one appears to have a swivel in the middle ring, which should make changing rein fairly easy without as much risk of the line getting “stuck” on the old side. The nosepiece is leather wrapped solid metal so it has the potential of being pretty harsh, but as with anything on the horse’s head or in it’s mouth it’s as harsh as the hands that hold it. Of course with the solid band you also run the risk of having a horse that has a nose that is too wide or narrow for it, which would negate its effectiveness.

The third one looks a little bulky on the nose. It is jointed so less harsh than #2 and will fit a wider range of noses. I do like that the rings set out from the nose more, though I am not sure if it is enough to make it an effective riding cavesson (not an issue if you just want to lunge with it). I like that it is not as ridiculously padded as the ones you find in the USA (a full inch of padding, really? On both the nose and the chin strap?) and they look like they have a nice range of adjustment on all three.

Between the three I would probably go with #3 because I have horses ranging from an Arab to a Belgian and work with more breeds and sizes as well, a solid noseband wouldn’t make sense. What fits the Arab well will not fit the Belgian. I usually keep my horses moving while changing direction and having the line get caught while doing it is annoying so the plain leather one is probably out too (again I do find the bit option intruiging!). If I worked with one breed that didn’t vary much in size or just had a single horse I’d consider #2.

I found this website while looking for something else entirely:

http://www.usfriesianreferral.com/halters.html

About halfway down are their lungeing cavessons offering three similar options, but the jointed one isn’t just the typical two joints, but like a bicycle chain. I’m thinking about the jointed one there myself.

Good luck making a decision! They all look to be high quality and each has its good and bad points depending on how you want to use it.

[QUOTE=CERT;9024236]
I think there are good and bad things about all three options.

The all leather one is interesting as it has the option of adding bit hangers to it (whether you buy theirs or pick some up from a place selling parts for a halter/bridle combo, either way). I could see the center ring getting “stuck” on occasion as you change directions. Not a deal if you make the habit of manually changing directions (walking up and leading the horse to the new direction), but if you have a less obedient horse who swaps on you or you want to change directions on the move I can see it not swiveling as readily into the new direction. There may be some slippage, but the jaw strap is the stabilizer and should keep it from getting too kattiwampus on the horse’s face. The leather nose is definitely less harsh and will fit a wide variety of face shapes.

The second one appears to have a swivel in the middle ring, which should make changing rein fairly easy without as much risk of the line getting “stuck” on the old side. The nosepiece is leather wrapped solid metal so it has the potential of being pretty harsh, but as with anything on the horse’s head or in it’s mouth it’s as harsh as the hands that hold it. Of course with the solid band you also run the risk of having a horse that has a nose that is too wide or narrow for it, which would negate its effectiveness.

The third one looks a little bulky on the nose. It is jointed so less harsh than #2 and will fit a wider range of noses. I do like that the rings set out from the nose more, though I am not sure if it is enough to make it an effective riding cavesson (not an issue if you just want to lunge with it). I like that it is not as ridiculously padded as the ones you find in the USA (a full inch of padding, really? On both the nose and the chin strap?) and they look like they have a nice range of adjustment on all three.

Between the three I would probably go with #3 because I have horses ranging from an Arab to a Belgian and work with more breeds and sizes as well, a solid noseband wouldn’t make sense. What fits the Arab well will not fit the Belgian. I usually keep my horses moving while changing direction and having the line get caught while doing it is annoying so the plain leather one is probably out too (again I do find the bit option intruiging!). If I worked with one breed that didn’t vary much in size or just had a single horse I’d consider #2.

I found this website while looking for something else entirely:

http://www.usfriesianreferral.com/halters.html

About halfway down are their lungeing cavessons offering three similar options, but the jointed one isn’t just the typical two joints, but like a bicycle chain. I’m thinking about the jointed one there myself.

Good luck making a decision! They all look to be high quality and each has its good and bad points depending on how you want to use it.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the detailed response! I only have one horse, who usually borders between full and oversize. But who knows what the future will bring as far as other horses. I do usually have him switch directions on the go, rather than going up and leading him in the other direction so I can see where the swivel would be an advantage. I’ll check out that website you posted as well!

Kind of interesting. Back in the day (say 50 years ago or more) almost all decent quality cavessons came with a strap down the nose from the poll to the noseband. It was said that was essential for stability on the horse’s head. That small strap seems to have gone the way of the dodo.

Hmm I’ve yet to see one with that, however it makes perfect sense to have such a strap!

I have a similar one that I bought from one of the fancy Dressage catalogs years ago, and I haven’t seen anything similar recently. Thanks for finding a source!

The third one only differs by the browband correct? I can’t tell if both the second and third have swivels or not.

Mine does not have a browband, but that might be nice to have, if it’s removable. I have not had a problem with the crown piece sliding back fwiw.

I teach mine to reverse themselves out on the circle, so the swivel on the top ring is nice for that.

And I use the side rings for long-lining (with a de gogue running through the bit so nothing touches his mouth unless he puts his head somewhere inappropriate).

Like so: https://www.flickr.com/photos/10803470@N00/26334465443/

-Wendy

The three I posted have entirely different nosebands. That’s the thing I can’t decide on. At least 2 of the three have browbands.

Some of reviewers of the first cavesson mention communicating by email with Torsten to get questions answered. Maybe send him an email and tell him what qualities you want in a cavesson and describe your horse’s level of training, and see which one he recommends. He sounds knowledgeable.

“Leatherwork / saddlery courses with Torsten Strobel, German Master of saddlery with 25 years work experience on saddles and all kind of bridlework and already in the 3rd generation saddler and his wife Petra, experienced rider and saddler.” (Saddlery & Courses tab)

I have one of these on the way, they come highly recommended… right around $200 usd
http://www.manolomendezdressage.com/manolo-mendez-original-spanish-cavessons/

I went to DP saddlery for mine.

http://www.dp-saddlery.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=25&categorylayout=0&Itemid=78

I have the Ecuyer. I also have a solid nose piece caveson for the harder to control horse. I have a gelding that would leap around pretty good, he went in this caveson for several years, now is fine in the bicycle chain caveson.

A friend has one from here http://www.usfriesianreferral.com/halters.html
the bicycle chain one, pretty nice. They also have a solid nose piece one.

As for the Manola M caveson, take a look at how he has it positioned on the horse, low on the nose which I do not like. His caveson is designed to only go in this position, not higher up. I have seen one in person and it was much narrower than my solid nose piece caveson because of this.

I don’t want anything narrow or that sits low on the nose. The program that I’ve been following recommends a moderately padded, wider cavesson. I don’t want anything too harsh.

I ordered something like this one from the UK back when I first started my young horse and she was intent on teaching me to dirt ski.

http://www.marjoman.net/en/dressage-halters/242-buy-kapsun-halter-8435290005664.html

I don’t think ordered it from this company but I’ve been VERY happy with it. It basically has a chain inside the leather, fairly flexible and, at least with mine, well padded. It added significantly more control than the standard dover default metal plate style cavesson I had been using, despite being only about a 3rd the weight & bulk. I bought one with a bit attachment (which was attached to the cheek pieces via a seperate D ring, not just down at the nose band like some of them) and that’s what I rode her in for the first year … no need to have both cavesson & bridle on her head, no trying to switch out headstalls mid workout. It is and was brilliant.

I can’t seem to edit my earlier post but here is the one I bought. The company was easy to work with, it shipped quickly and the quality was very good.

http://saddles4sale.com/en/dressage-bridles/108-kapsun-chain-cavesson-with-straps-for-bit.html#/color-black/straps-with_straps/buckle_colour-golden/buckle_style-cortezia

I just received this one yesterday, so haven’t tried it on yet. Nice leather and well made.
https://www.stalbolsterbos.be/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/F.R.A.-caval.jpg
I ordered it from here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/142214100559

Note that I was looking for something more for in-hand work as opposed to lunging, and that I wanted a leather nosepiece (no chain) and non-swiveling rings. Both of my horses also do well bitless, so I liked having that option.
Don’t know how well it would work for just lunge work.

Of the three the last, the Sintra is the closest to my ideal , however I do prefer one that has the ability of the chin strap to be on a circular ring rather than in a fixed position.

I have a 50+ year old Wels cavesson, with no center strap running down the face.
It is identical to those still used at the SRS.

Thanks for the responses everyone. I bit the bullet and purchased the 3rd option that I posted. Fingers crossed it’s everything I need it to be!

You’re welcome! I hope the one you bought works well for you!

Interesting to see all these other options crop up too. My bookmarks are now full of options for when I’m ready to get a new one myself!

I recently purchased the joined cavesson that CERT and khall posted.

I am a huge fan of it! Very soft, supple, leather that is thick enough to provide just the right amount of padding between the metal and pony nose. There is plenty of length to the straps, I had to punch several holes to have it short enough for my TB gelding. It balances nicely and my sensitive gelding approves of the light weight. When I purchased it I had some concerns that the joined metal would be too harsh, but I have found that my gelding will willing take up a light contact with the line and responds promptly to any half halts. Overall I would highly reccomend it, especially to those of you with the sensitive souls!

I have the one from QCV that you bought, and I love it. I’ve had it for a few years. The solid part of the noseband is shaped well, and the addition of the jointed parts on the side make it fit quite nicely. It’s well padded, and not overly padded. I use it for lunging, of course, but also used it when hand-walking a horse on stall rest. It provided just enough extra control, but I never felt it was harsh or resting on the nose uncomfortably. I think you’ll really like it!

OP, I thought I’d post and ask if you received your cavesson. I placed an order in April and haven’t heard anything. Wondering if I should be concerned!