I also haven’t seen the new tests, but if they’re in the same ballpark as the first one, absolutely not.
I broke down the math up there (waves in the general direction of upthread, haha) and it was just such a teeny tiny amount, there was no risk.
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There isn’t any. I have googled from here until next week. I’ve googled CFIA, OMAFA, Mad Barn Monensin, Mad Barn Monensin scandal… every combination of words I could think of that might hit on a link discussing this. Of course I might not have hit on the right search terms yet, but so far nothing. This thread comes up, a thread on horseforum.com comes up and I just now found this article in the Rider https://www.therider.com/site/blog/2024/09/19/equine-only-feed-producers.
Now, maybe Mad Barn has deep enough pockets to control google search results?? 0 media has picked up this story. It remains a story on COTH and facebook alone from what I can see.
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the only thing I can think of is the “media” is still building their story, but even that’s a stretch. And like you, there’s barely a whiff of this outside FB and COTH that I can find.
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No, you don’t, or at least you shouldn’t because I am firmly on the frickin’ fence until I see credible information from an independent source.
As for doubling down on a valued poster? WTH? Nobody is doubling down on anyone. If you don’t like my straight-forward delivery and would rather not read what I write, it’s pretty easy to figure out how to put me on “ignore.” I suggest you do so if what I have written on this thread has upset you much.
I’m glad you haven’t had any problems feeding Omneity. Neither did any of those people who did have a problem … until they did.
That says the case coordinator is Travis Mays. Maybe we should send him an email and see if he has any comments on this (and as to whether those results are real and if he can confirm those results). We know people can fake documents.
I absolutely believe food or products can be contaminated. Not sure that is the case here.
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Has anyone told Valerie that the concentration is 500 to 1000 fold too dilute to cause an issue (you know, the ppb vs ppm difference)…
No drama needed.
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But why is there any trace of ionophores?
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So LD50 is over 10000 times more than the 36 ppb originally reported.
This is more, but the LD50 is in the 1000 times more than this range.
Still concerning it’s there, in a product that’s obviously not supposed to have any, and produced in an ionophore free facility. But it’s just so exceedingly unlikely to cause harm.
I’m curious if there’s enough of a witch-hunt vibe that some people are adding ionophores to their product before sending it in for testing…because they’re just so sure that madbarn is in the wrong, so they’re going to make SURE a problem is identified.
It will be interesting to see how this continues to develop for sure.
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This is where my thoughts have gone. I have a hard time imagining that Mad Barn wouldn’t have done testing of multiple products, multiple lots/batches, etc to identify a source if there were in fact a contaminant.
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361.4 ppb = 0.3614ppm = 0.3614 mg of Monensin/kg of Amino trace +
Median lethal dose is 2 to 3 mg Monensin/kg horse’s body weight.
Lowest dose study is .9 to 1.4mg/ kg horse’s body weight.
Thus a 1000 lb (453.592kg) horse would have to consume at the lowest known dose to be fatal
0.9x453.592 = 408.23mg of Monensin which would be 1129.58 kg of Amino trace + consumed
Why haven’t any other horses died that have been eating Amino trace +? What is the batch number from the “contaminate” product? I will continue to use MadBarn products.
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it’s all so WEIRD. Today’s posts say Scott is gasp American. But google his name and it says: “Scott Cieslar, M.Sc.Scott grew up on a mixed animal/cash crop farm near Wyoming, Ontario and studied animal nutrition at the University of Guelph and the University of Queensland, Australia.”
Even if he is American (maybe he holds dual citizenship? Wyoming is close-ish to Sarnia and the US border) why is that a problem in this case?
So weird.
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Random thought… is monensin something that could possibly be airborne? Maybe this is a completely stupid thought, but according to today’s post where she accuses Scott of being American, she points out that MB’s manufacturing facility is located near Masterfeed/Alltech in Stratford. Last I heard MB outgrew that location and moved to Kitchener, but if they are still located there, would it be possible for there to be cross-contamination between facilities? Masterfeeds is a multi-species feed manufacturer. That might account for the extremely low levels being present in the samples (or it might not, I’m far from a scientist).
No, that is not possible.
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Lol, good to know!
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Let me get this straight. Horse people who know ionophores can kill their horses are purposely going to source ionophores and add them to samples they send to a lab in order to make a supplements company look bad.
Sounds, um, plausible … in some sort of horsey/crime/romannce/adventure story.
Just about as plausible as the accuser’s stories. 
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I went back to her FB today. Yep, still nuts.
Do we know the if mysterious “other sources” who have “bad” samples are real people?
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She stopped reading there? 
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At least that one report she’s posted has a lot number in it - it says 240528-7404.
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