Major article in NYT

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There are just so many issues to be addressed when talking about racing.

Of course we need a national body that would set national rules, but there are a couple of problems with getting the federal government involved. First, it’s long been federal practice to stay out of gambling and leave it up to the individual states. Same kind of policy as alcohol after prohibition. Because gambling is a value laden concept and values really can’t be dictated by policy, the feds have always just stayed out of both gambling and alcohol and left it to the locals. that’s one reason there is no federal lottery like the Brits have to support their international sports.

I live in a state where we have casino gambling, but gambling on horse racing out of state is illegal and we have no lottery. Makes no sense to me, but it keeps the Hardshelled religionists happy.

So even if there is federal legislation, which really seems unlikely in today’s climate, it will probably be set to work through the states and their existing structures. The USDA has done a dreadful job of enforcing The Animal Welfare Act where show horses are concerned, and I simply cannot see them enforcing racing rules.

Now if the states that have racing would agree to accept the recommendations of a central organizing committee and implement them as a matter of course, that would work better. A National racing consortium of States with an interstate compact could work, but the individual states would have to be willing to delegate policy authority.

There is an article in the DRF today citing JC proposed medication rules. But the JC has no authority whatsoever and state racing authorities have no incentive to adopt JC proposals.

Structurally speaking, the whole mess is a mess.[/QUOTE]

great ideas

For those interested BloodHorse has a free report they compiled available for download:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/special-reports/136/national-thoroughbred-racing-office-feature

“The Blood-Horse spent three months investigating the feasibility of the U.S. Thoroughbred racing industry ever being run out of a national office, which could not only unify marketing and promotion efforts but also medication policy and penalties. This package of stories looks at what’s been tried, the efforts being made now, and where in the industry may eventually find success.”

That article should be required reading for anyone interested in this subject.
I think this is a direct link to it http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/special-reports/pdfs/136.pdf
May require signing up, but it’s free to do so.

FWIW, New York has justed opened up it’s Racing Injury Database to the public… http://www.racing.ny.gov/breaksrch/searchbreakdown.php

Would be nice if every state did the same, but I imagine many states don’t even have one.

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FWIW, New York has justed opened up it’s Racing Injury Database to the public… http://www.racing.ny.gov/breaksrch/searchbreakdown.php

Would be nice if every state did the same, but I imagine many states don’t even have one.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for this. Very important.

After reading the database, we now have confirmation in writing (vs verbal confirmation with the claiming barn) of the death of a partnership horse my SO, and sister and BIL were fibbed to about last year.

So are any of you partners in a racing partnership (have shares of an LLC), that has written measures in place for retiring their horses? That has a definite plan in the event they do not work out even in the beginning, or how layups are considered? Or is most under the general comments of “decisions by management”?

Any of the up front principal put aside for this?

I don’t need to be marketed to, just working on ideas for the future. PMs welcome. Thanks.

I have to admit to being surprised by the number “found dead in stall”. That’s a more unusual occurrence in my experience. Is there “more to the story” when the report reads “found dead in stall”?

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I have to admit to being surprised by the number “found dead in stall”. That’s a more unusual occurrence in my experience. Is there “more to the story” when the report reads “found dead in stall”?[/QUOTE]

Were they insured? And we all know that electrocution is hard to prove. Conspiracy theories are so much fun. :slight_smile:

If I had to guess I would think the majority of “found dead in stall” would be colic. There can be upwards of 2000 horses stabled on the backside of tracks like Belmont. When you add in all other TB tracks and the Harness tracks (this database is for all race horses in NY, both TB and STB) I would think it not totally out of the realm that there could be 4000-5000 horses at any given time in training at the various tracks. When you factor in horses cycling in and out (young arrivals, older horses leaving, horses shipping in from out of state etc), there could be hundreds or thousands more that have been on the backside of a NY track over the course of any given year. That some would die over the course of a year from natural causes or accidents in stall wouldn’t strike me as totally unusual.
Of course you would have to add up all the “found dead in stall” and correlate that with an accurate tally of how many horses are on the backside of the various tracks over the course of a year(s) to truly know what that number is, but at first glance I wouldn’t strike me as glaringly unusual.

I’m not implying anything with my curiosity. But I’ve cared for horses all my life - lots of 'em - and many people I know have cared for far more than I have and stories of horses “found dead” in their stalls just aren’t that common. It makes one wonder how often they’re looked in on. While I understand that there may be 1000’s on a track at any given time, they’re not all being looked after by 1 or 2 people. How are they dying on the sly, so to speak?

more useful data to be collected:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/68670/jockey-injury-database-launched

“We constantly work with tracks and the industry to ensure the safety of jockeys,” said Terry Meyocks, national manager of the Jockeys’ Guild, in a release. “This program was first conceived at the Welfare and Safety of the Racehorse Summit and it has been in the works for several years. We are thrilled to see it come to fruition. Its goal is to find ways to reduce racing injuries and create a safer racing environment.”

The new data collection system has been created with the assistance of Keeneland, The Jockey Club, and the National Thoroughbred Racing Association Safety and Integrity Alliance.

Keeneland will be the first racetrack in the country to start collecting the data and will do so when the spring meet begins April 6.

“Once we are comfortable with the process, we will be sending information packets to each racetrack further explaining the goals and design of the project while encouraging their participation,” said Meyocks.

As data is collected, it will be analyzed for trends. There is no cost to tracks to participate in this project, and those providing data will be recognized when the analysis is ultimately published in the medical literature.

“This prospective collection of information will allow us to better evaluate rider safety equipment, racetrack surface type, first-responder options, and a host of variables just as other professional sports do on behalf of their athletes both in the U.S. and abroad,” said Dr. Barry Schumer, Keeneland medical director and co-creator of the program, in a statement."

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I’m not implying anything with my curiosity. But I’ve cared for horses all my life - lots of 'em - and many people I know have cared for far more than I have and stories of horses “found dead” in their stalls just aren’t that common. It makes one wonder how often they’re looked in on. While I understand that there may be 1000’s on a track at any given time, they’re not all being looked after by 1 or 2 people. How are they dying on the sly, so to speak?[/QUOTE]

Many high end stables employ night watchmen. Most stables have a groom,that lives on track,do periodic checks on the horses. Some do a late night check and do not return until 4 or 5 in the morning.

Horse that are cast or in pain do not always thrash and make noise.

Track security do rounds to watch for non-licensed intruders, etc. I do not know of a track that trains them to judge a horse’s health. They do have protocol if they hear or see a horse loose or tearing a stall apart.

I earlier posted that NY was going to follow Cali and change part of their claiming rules due to an increase in deaths at Aqueduct this winter meet. It has been done. One more step ahead for horsemen,fans and 'cappers that care about their horses. We are the majority. :slight_smile:

story here:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/68611/rule-to-void-claims-of-dead-horses-enacted

"State regulators in New York have enacted new rules voiding claiming sales of horses that die during a claiming race or are euthanized on-track after a race.

Regulators at the State Racing and Wagering Board, which enacted the emergency rule April 2, said the new provision is in response to the recent round of equine deaths at Aqueduct Racetrack.

“It’s not worthwhile to stand by while the rules almost encourage putting at-risk animals into a claiming race,” said Racing Board chairman John Sabini. The rules were adopted in a 10-minute discussion.

The rule ends–for 90 days during an emergency period while the board considers making it permanent–the long-standing practice that a horse in a claiming race becomes the property of a new owner once the race begins, regardless of whether the horse dies in the race.

The 22-word addition to the state racing law, reported last week by The Blood-Horse, states that “a claim shall be void for any horse that dies during a race or is euthanized on the track following a race.” It is effective at all New York Thoroughbred tracks.

Investigators have been examining a whole host of possible factors for the 21 equine deaths during the winter meet at Aqueduct, including type of racing, such as claiming, track conditions, trainers, jockeys, and medical condition of the horses."

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FWIW, New York has justed opened up it’s Racing Injury Database to the public… http://www.racing.ny.gov/breaksrch/searchbreakdown.php

Would be nice if every state did the same, but I imagine many states don’t even have one.[/QUOTE]

story about database:
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2012/04/02/new-york-injury-licensee-databases-claiming-rule.aspx

"The two databases bring an unparalleled transparency to New York’s horseracing industry and regulation.

“The public has every right to know exactly what is happening at racetracks in New York state,” Racing and Wagering Board Chairman John D. Sabini said. “The wealth of information in these two databases leaves no stone unturned regarding incidents at tracks in New York and who is being held accountable for rule infractions by the board. As the adage says: Sunlight is the best disinfectant, especially for the state’s horseracing industry.”"

“Racing Age”

Why is it that in these ten pages of obviously heartfelt argument from both sides, so little mention has been made of the age at which horses of both breeds are raced? I have a lovely QH filly who had no more bone than a chicken at 2 years old in spite of her fabulous old bloodlines. Starting her under saddle at that age was out of the question in my world, yet I had “Quarter Horse People” smugly telling me that many of those destined for the track are backed at 14 months! This is insanity.

What I’d like to see, realistically and in the near term, is for veterinarians of stature, preferably the AAEP, to come clean with a united front against racing ANYTHING under the age of four, and at the same time demand an end on the tracks to “injections,” nerve-blocks, steroids, and any NSAID’s not allowed by the FEI for sport horses. Pass a Federal law with some teeth and maybe we’d get somewhere.

I do not dispute all those good people arguing here that there are many fine people who are great horsemen in the racing industry; that goes without saying. The problem is the horse world in general has a serious dirt-bag problem in ALL disciplines that we are just not addressing. I know; for 18 years I’ve run a high-end retirement farm and I see every day what stumbles off the vans when they’re all done racing, showjumping, etc. These are the few, the lucky, the ones with the owners who care. I know where the rest go; when I was a kid, I had to load them.

In a perfect world, let the social pathology known as gambling become the province of online numbers-rackets, basketball pools, etc.; divorced from the world of horses and dogs. In other words, get “anything for a buck” out of the picture. Then the number of racehorses bred might also level off to the point where they wouldn’t be short-listed for the slaughter line on the day they’re born. We might also consider a return to breeding them for soundness.

Why do true horsemen not step up to the plate on this? Why the conspiracy of silence? Why do we choose to avert our eyes? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone . . .

Swamp Yankee

Not racing anything under four? No. No way. A four year old on the track is considered an old pro. Most farms do not back horses before they are two, and gently and wisely at that. Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of idiots out there, but generally we do know what we are doing with a young horse.

These are not warmbloods, they mature FAST. Also, the two year old races don’t begin in force until the fall.

Like I said before, feel free to do away with 2 year olds in training sales, those are ridiculous and very few horsemen like them.

Why all the sudden heat about injections and NSAIDS? I’m not a huge NSAID fan myself, but injections? Are you kidding me? That is considered regular maintenance in many barns from many disciplines. These issues are not unique to racing, just more publicized.

Share the same drug regulations as the FEI? Oh heck no… I for one will not stand for an association that knows little to nothing of the ins and outs of racing telling us that we have to follow the same rules as show jumpers, for a sport so different. As extensively as racehorses are tested, drugs are not a terrible issue, it’s just the never ending debate about what the “right drugs” and “right” amounts there should be.

Kudos for running a retirement farm! When I win the lottery, that is my dream.

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Why is it that in these ten pages of obviously heartfelt argument from both sides, so little mention has been made of the age at which horses of both breeds are raced? I have a lovely QH filly who had no more bone than a chicken at 2 years old in spite of her fabulous old bloodlines. Starting her under saddle at that age was out of the question in my world, yet I had “Quarter Horse People” smugly telling me that many of those destined for the track are backed at 14 months! This is insanity.

What I’d like to see, realistically and in the near term, is for veterinarians of stature, preferably the AAEP, to come clean with a united front against racing ANYTHING under the age of four, and at the same time demand an end on the tracks to “injections,” nerve-blocks, steroids, and any NSAID’s not allowed by the FEI for sport horses. Pass a Federal law with some teeth and maybe we’d get somewhere.

I do not dispute all those good people arguing here that there are many fine people who are great horsemen in the racing industry; that goes without saying. The problem is the horse world in general has a serious dirt-bag problem in ALL disciplines that we are just not addressing. I know; for 18 years I’ve run a high-end retirement farm and I see every day what stumbles off the vans when they’re all done racing, showjumping, etc. These are the few, the lucky, the ones with the owners who care. I know where the rest go; when I was a kid, I had to load them.

In a perfect world, let the social pathology known as gambling become the province of online numbers-rackets, basketball pools, etc.; divorced from the world of horses and dogs. In other words, get “anything for a buck” out of the picture. Then the number of racehorses bred might also level off to the point where they wouldn’t be short-listed for the slaughter line on the day they’re born. We might also consider a return to breeding them for soundness.

Why do true horsemen not step up to the plate on this? Why the conspiracy of silence? Why do we choose to avert our eyes? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone . . .

Swamp Yankee[/QUOTE]

With respect, a great many of the conventions of racing, including the ages at which horses are started and at which the large purses are contested, were established as traditions in times long past; before we had things like X-ray evidence of exactly how late growth plates close, the frequency of microtears and stress fractures, and the routine ability to mask incipient problems with drugs. I will state categorically that very few 2 year olds, regardless of outward appearance, are physically “mature” enough by the objective biological measures to be asked for a maximum effort. Honest vets will be the first to tell you. The only thing preventing this change is the added expense of feeding these horses for an additional year or two. This tired argument is all about profit margin, not horsemanship.

People frequently mention “bleeders.” Why is it that this seems to be mostly a modern problem? It doesn’t exist in the literature of the 19th and early 20th centuries. Was racing any less stressful in those days, or were the horses fundamentally stronger in wind? Less inbred? Do we know? What we DO know is that in those days, lacking the easy “chemical” solution, we employed a “management” one. I’m old enough to have personally witnessed this. There were damn few things in the chemical “tool box” prior to 1980 and most of them had stood the test of the old times when horses as “living machines” of the mainstream economy HAD to produce for their owners or lose their lives immediately. They were expendable to a degree we can scarcely bend our brains around today. Those old methods often worked, but we no longer use them; rest, turnout, and proper conditioning by “long, slow distance.” This applies to all disciplines across the board.

Another widely-acknowledged problem is that today we almost exclusively breed the “sprinter” somatype; the big-boned, husky distance TB’s that were built to last are seen only rarely even in “steeplechase country” today and those are of overseas origin. They used to be our “salt of the earth” show and field hunters after they retired from the track. Regrettably, there is little incentive to breed TB’s and QH’s for soundness today. The tax code says it all; they are listed as “3-year assets.” Read, “disposable.”

Another underexposed secret is the Standardbred racing industry. An acquaintance of mine who worked for years as a foaling attendant in upstate NY, foaling out literally hundreds of mares per year, told me in no uncertain terms that with the exception of the top 5%, the rest of these horses on their luckiest day might end up pulling an Amish buggy; all the rest, sound or not, would be at the killers’ before their 5th birthday. These thousands of horses, most of whom are pacers undesirable for riding, are produced in the full knowledge that they have no other job once their racing days are over. Most serve as nothing more than a tax write-off.

I’ve got a few other solutions, that extend into all the far corners of the horse industry, not just racing:

(1) Don’t breed on speculation just because you can. Don’t ever breed horses of poor conformation or temperament. Don’t allow your breed association to promote the myth that backyard amateurs can “make money” breeding horses. Take responsibility for what you bring into the world.

(2) Anyone who cannot afford the vet and disposal fees for humane euthanasia, which run around $750 in my part of the world, has no business owning a horse. They are financially unqualified for ownership, let alone any kind of equestrian competition. I’m talking to anyone here who ever knowingly sent a horse “down the road.” Are you so mercenary you would consign your dog to be strung up and skinned alive for a lousy $200 too? I’m sorry, Vets, but do not lower yourselves to being the apologist for this dirt-bag practice when the humane alternative is literally in your hands.

(2) Somebody, possibly R.S. Surtees, once said that the only people who should be making a living with horses are those who love and respect them as living beings. Nobody HAS to make their living in this industry, so most of the “financial arguments” don’t hold water for me. Those who find themselves doing things they wouldn’t want to confess, should leave the industry NOW–and the rest of us should make sure they do by the simple means of peer pressure. Recently, in my county, some horsemen of conscience were able to stop an abuse and neglect situation that had been going on for over 40 years, just because they stepped up to the plate and said something.

Apply guilt. Hold your peers to a higher standard. Make it a better world for horses–starting with yours, starting tomorrow!

Swamp Yankee

There are more “bleeders” today because 99% of bleeding is only visible via endoscope. It was impossible to diagnose something before the technology that allowed you to diagnose it was available. I am sure there are a lot more joint chips now than before the xray machine was invented as well.

j

Very good points, Laurie. I’ll expand just a bit: Very few horse people are aware of how often and how easily any horse, not just TBs, experience exercise-induced pulmonary hemorrhage. It’s causes are largely anatomical and we haven’t changed the shape or way of going of horses enough to think that our breeding practices are solely responsible for EIPH.